[Livia]

If we allowed her back she'd have to be deradicalized and then she'd be under surveillance. All those resources, when we're already overstretched dealing with her fellow IS supporters. It's not good enough to say she's British and we must take her back. We really don't have to. There is a line and she crossed it, and she said herself that she doesn't regret it.

I wonder if her Dutch husband will be welcomed home?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

If we allowed her back she'd have to be deradicalized and then she'd be under surveillance. All those resources, when we're already overstretched dealing with her fellow IS supporters. It's not good enough to say she's British and we must take her back. We really don't have to. There is a line and she crossed it, and she said herself that she doesn't regret it.

I wonder if her Dutch husband will be welcomed home?

Is he Alive?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

If we allowed her back she'd have to be deradicalized and then she'd be under surveillance. All those resources, when we're already overstretched dealing with her fellow IS supporters. It's not good enough to say she's British and we must take her back. We really don't have to. There is a line and she crossed it, and she said herself that she doesn't regret it.

I wonder if her Dutch husband will be welcomed home?

Exactly, it would be less costly and safer to just keep her away.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Exactly, it would be less costly and safer to just keep her away.

For us. Not for whichever country ends up having to deal with our citizen for us. That's why it's immoral... We're just passing the buck to another country, and probably one with far fewer resources than we have.

Again no one has offered an answer to the double standard on this?

Do you believe that she is not our responsibility and its fair to say she must stay where she is, or do you believe that we should be able to deport extremists in Britain back to their own countries? You can't possibly believe that foreign extremists in Britain should be sent back to their country of origin... But British extremists in foreign countries shouldn't be sent back to Britain? Talk about having your cake and eating it too...

"Do you think you should keep our extremists in the UK?"

"No we're sending them back to you!"

"OK fair enough, we'll send back the British extremists we have here"

"Nah. You're keeping them too."

"Oh... Well then we don't want the ones from here back either?"

"No you're having both I'm afraid, it's the only safe choice"

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

For us. Not for whichever country ends up having to deal with our citizen for us. That's why it's immoral... We're just passing the buck to another country, and probably one with far fewer resources than we have.

Again no one has offered an answer to the double standard on this?

Do you believe that she is not our responsibility and its fair to say she must stay where she is, or do you believe that we should be able to deport extremists in Britain back to their own countries? You can't possibly believe that foreign extremists in Britain should be sent back to their country of origin... But British extremists in foreign countries shouldn't be sent back to Britain? Talk about having your cake and eating it too...

"Do you think you should keep our extremists in the UK?"

"No we're sending them back to you!"

"OK fair enough, we'll send back the British extremists we have here"

"Nah. You're keeping them too."

"Oh... Well then we don't want the ones from here back either?"

"No you're having both I'm afraid, it's the only safe choice"

And that's probably the attitude that draws them into hating us.

[arista]

The School she was at
Has nothing to say.

Ref : ITV1HD London News

Well it was online feed
that hooked her

[Beso]

This story is so interesting.

This girl was a child when she left..one could say a groomed child.

I am beginning to feel so much sympathy for her and her plight....this girl, is still just that. A young girl that will have seen so much brutality as her mind and brain continues to age during her teens...so people say she has no regrets, no sorrow or does not show remorse....


Perhaps after 5 years she has been dehuminised by the autrocities or mere opression she may have witnessed at such a young age and for such a long time....her brain must have went into spasm to be honest...leaving here and her cosy duvet....to there and God knows what....


Also her poor parents, they must be distraught. They will have believed their daughter who to them just disappeared...is actually alive...

Get her home and give her help, then see where her heads at.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This story is so interesting.

This girl was a child when she left..one could say a groomed child.

I am beginning to feel so much sympathy for her and her plight....this girl, is still just that. A young girl that will have seen so much brutality as her mind and brain continues to age during her teens...so people say she has no regrets, no sorrow or does not show remorse....


Perhaps after 5 years she has been dehuminised by the autrocities or mere opression she may have witnessed at such a young age and for such a long time....her brain must have went into spasm to be honest...leaving here and her cosy duvet....to there and God knows what....


Also her poor parents, they must be distraught. They will have believed their daughter who to them just disappeared...is actually alive...

Get her home and give her help, then see where her heads at.

But she said seeing a severed head for the first time didn't faze her, she said life there was just as she expected, she said she has no regrets about going there. Ok she was groomed at 15 but it's now four years later, she's an adult and despite witnessing all sorts of terrible things she hasn't changed her view. She has no remorse and takes no responsibility for the fact she helped the cause of one of the most barbaric regimes in history.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But she said seeing a severed head for the first time didn't faze her, she said life there was just as she expected, she said she has no regrets about going there. Ok she was groomed at 15 but it's now four years later, she's an adult and despite witnessing all sorts of terrible things she hasn't changed her view. She has no remorse and takes no responsibility for the fact she helped the cause of one of the most barbaric regimes in history.

I imagine its pretty easy to forget your feelings in the past after five years of that ****e...but your opinion is part of the fascination of this case.



Edit...we are all part of one of the most barbaric regimes of all time...not that long ago either in the scale of things.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I imagine its pretty easy to forget your feelings in the past after five years of that ****e...but your opinion is part of the fascination of this case.



Edit...we are all part of one of the most barbaric regimes of all time...not that long ago either in the scale of things.

All of us? My family didn't make a penny from the Empire, and to drag that up is budding the waters of this case. The part of my family that was here during the time of Empire was living in squalor, so excuse me Parm, if I don't weep and wring my hands for this girl.

Her baby's father is Dutch. Maybe they will take her. We have no obligation to take her back. And I hope we don't,

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

All of us? My family didn't make a penny from the Empire, and to drag that up is budding the waters of this case. The part of my family that was here during the time of Empire was living in squalor, so excuse me Parm, if I don't weep and wring my hands for this girl.

Her baby's father is Dutch. Maybe they will take her. We have no obligation to take her back. And I hope we don't,

You don't need excused for your opinions, imo.


And neither do I...I can't help how I feel about this and I am a little surprised at myself actually...but I can't get past the fact I see her a s groomed child rather than a dangerous terrorist type.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Edit...we are all part of one of the most barbaric regimes of all time...not that long ago either in the scale of things.

I don't get to share the pride of the invention of the vaccine, so I won't share the shame or take the punishment of other things that happened in the past.

[chuff me dizzy]

Let her rot in Syria

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't get to share the pride of the invention of the vaccine, so I won't share the shame or take the punishment of other things that happened in the past.

I agree with that. And what's more... who's to say the British Empire was one of the most barbaric regimes. More barbaric than Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Papa Doc? Franco, Pinochet... and all the other monsters who took but didn't give? Not trying to say the British Empire was a summer camp, but there were plenty of more barbaric regimes. And none of them bloomed into an organisation that does as much good as the Commonwealth. Even countries who were never under British rule choose to join.

[Daniel-X]

Let her die

[arista]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

Let her die

And the Baby
that is due?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

Let her die

Preach it

[UserSince2005]

I’m sorry but brexit means brexit!

[LaLaLand]

If they let her back in it just shows what an absolute laughing stock of a nation we really are. Just nuke us.

[empire]

the other school girl that was killed in a russian airstrike in raqqa, I wish the other two where standing there with her so I would award the pilot for doing it, they bring these people back and give them a cushy life like they are heroes when are ex armed forces are living in the streets in the cold weather, it makes me sick the way this country is now.

[Beso]

They should all be helped!

[Glenn.]

Why should they?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Why should they?

Imo both are suffering.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Imo both are suffering.

It’s self inflicted. I wouldn’t have much sympathy for someone suffering a hangover after deliberately drinking too much alcohol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s self inflicted. I wouldn’t have much sympathy for someone suffering a hangover after deliberately drinking too much alcohol

Does her unborn child deserve to die for her mistakes? Do the children that get victimised and abused in IS' territories deserve it because of who their parents are?

Honestly the attitude displayed by a lot of members in this thread is disgusting. A complete lack of empathy and straight up sense from a lot of people I expected more from.

If she comes back she's not gonna have a 'cushy' life as I believe at least one member was making out, she'd likely be charged and imprisoned for a very long time and then placed on watchlists after that. She probably won't get to see her child raised and that's her own fault but her child will likely be raised in a loving environment where they won't be indoctrinated and turned into a child soldier or raised to be a radicalised baby factory. Children shouldn't suffer for their parents' sins.

Plus, as others have said, she's a British, she's our responsibility and she was radicalised here. We can't just pass the buck especially considering the people saying that would be very much for deporting her if the situation was reversed. Let her come back, throw her in prison and hopefully get some useful information out of her and let her child live a normal life.