[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh hysteria

It's not a word I particularly like because of the etymology but honestly if you've ever been on a "more colourful" Mumsnet thread, I don't think there's any other applicable word. Pitchforks and paranoia.

[Vicky.]

Not sure if this ones been in the news or not. First I have heard of it with this thread. Though there are many examples of similar stories.

[Oliver_W]

I don't agree with misgendering but this is one of my favourite videos from this year

Youtube video

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't agree with misgendering

Yet you refer to Kyra on BBCAN as “she” every chance you get

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Yet you refer to Kyra on BBCAN as “she” every chance you get

If Kyra was a transman, I'd say he, because men exist; with the transwoman in this thread, I say she, because women exist. But nonbinary is just nonsense. If I remember to use preferred pronouns for enbys I will though.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't agree with misgendering but this is one of my favourite videos from this year

Youtube video

More Touchy in the USA

[Lostie!]

I thing lodging a complaint against the first guy when she didn't even bother to correct him was unfair. He could have thought she was a cross dresser. Mistakes happen, and instantly wanting people punished for them isn't the best way to educate. With the second guy, if he saw her details then it should have been clear so fair enough on that one. Although I'm also tired of this culture of demanding compensation that's going on nowadays.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I thing lodging a complaint against the first guy when she didn't even bother to correct him was unfair. He could have thought she was a cross dresser. Mistakes happen, and instantly wanting people punished for them isn't the best way to educate. With the second guy, if he saw her details then it should have been clear so fair enough on that one. Although I'm also tired of this culture of demanding compensation that's going on nowadays.

Exactly it's getting ridiculous now .

And it can be confusing as like you say some people are just cross dressers

[Tony Montana]

Lmfao Mock, you deleted your post, but you still quoted it and it’s still there

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Lmfao Mock, you deleted your post, but you still quoted it and it’s still there

I'm gonna have to delete that post too.

It's just I'm not comfortable ripping into a group of people that already get a lot of stick as it is, even if I do find it strange it doesn't personally harm me so I probably shouldn't help put the knife in.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm gonna have to delete that post too.



It's just I'm not comfortable ripping into a group of people that already get a lot of stick as it is, even if I do find it strange it doesn't personally harm me so I probably shouldn't help put the knife in.

It's OK, it's in vogue to hate on gender related issues.

[Marsh.]

Winner of RuPaul's Drag Race UK 1?

[user104658]

I mean to be fair, you'd be lucky to get a return from Manchester to London Euston for £2500.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Youtube video

Should not have gone to specs avers

[Marsh.]

Thing is though, the people who say "She's clearly presenting as female" are the same ones who say "Well, why is it a female attribute to be in a dress? People can wear whatever irrespective of gender!" Yet, when one sex/gender is identifying as another they do so with cliche stereotypes.

This lady in the OP seems more like a crossdresser to me. Never in their life felt like they were in the wrong body but suddenly found they enjoyed wearing women's clothes, that doesn't necessarily translate to 'want to be a woman'.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Thing is though, the people who say "She's clearly presenting as female" are the same ones who say "Well, why is it a female attribute to be in a dress? People can wear whatever irrespective of gender!" Yet, when one sex/gender is identifying as another they do so with cliche stereotypes.

This lady in the OP seems more like a crossdresser to me. Never in their life felt like they were in the wrong body but suddenly found they enjoyed wearing women's clothes, that doesn't necessarily translate to 'want to be a woman'.

Even at that, when watching drag, we all call the guys she and her when in drag, and he/him when out of drag.
We are all born naked and the rest is drag... as it goes.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Thing is though, the people who say "She's clearly presenting as female" are the same ones who say "Well, why is it a female attribute to be in a dress? People can wear whatever irrespective of gender!" Yet, when one sex/gender is identifying as another they do so with cliche stereotypes.

Saying that someone fits into the conventional way we view gender and saying that conventional gender norms are harmful are two completely different things tbh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Saying that someone fits into the conventional way we view gender and saying that conventional gender norms are harmful are two completely different things tbh

Not really. They're either harmful or they're how we identify gender, you can't have it both ways.

She clearly says she's never gone through life feeling as though she was in the wrong body and it was only dressing up in women's clothes that she said she found it "comfortable". Sounds more like a man feeling more comfortable wearing what is conventionally women's clothes rather than this "I like wearing dresses therefore I am now a woman" story being sold.

Either that or she explained her story terribly in the interview.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. They're either harmful or they're how we identify gender, you can't have it both ways.

She clearly says she's never gone through life feeling as though she was in the wrong body and it was only dressing up in women's clothes that she said she found it "comfortable". Sounds more like a man feeling more comfortable wearing what is conventionally women's clothes rather than this "I like wearing dresses therefore I am now a woman" story being sold.

Either that or she explained her story terribly in the interview.

The interview pretty short and wasn't really focused on her transition and her mental process before and throughout. She gave a really brief summary of when how her transition started. You really don't have enough info to make this assumption.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

The interview pretty short and wasn't really focused on her transition and her mental process before and throughout. She gave a really brief summary of when how her transition started. You really don't have enough info to make this assumption.

Well, I did say "unless she explained her story terribly".

BUT, she also explicitly says she's never had ANY form of thoughts about being a woman, wanting to be a woman or not feeling right in her body she was born with. So, contrary to your reply, I have exactly the right amount of information to REPEAT what she said. It's not an assumption, it's what she says.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

The interview pretty short and wasn't really focused on her transition and her mental process before and throughout. She gave a really brief summary of when how her transition started. You really don't have enough info to make this assumption.

A previous interview of hers backs up Marsh's summary:

Earlier this year, Katie underwent surgery and is now female, four years after starting her transition.

She hopes to encourage and inspire others in a similar position to her.

But what led to her making such a life-changing decision?

‘It all started back in 2014. I previously identified as a gay male,’ she says.

‘I went to a fancy dress party, wearing a dress.

‘I’d never worn a dress before. I didn’t really have any thoughts about being transgender.

‘But I went to this party and had a really good evening.

‘For several weeks after that I started to think about how comfortable I felt, not just because I was in a dress but because of my femininity.’

‘The only time I wear jeans is when I go out first thing in the morning to take the dog for a walk. The rest of the time I wear dresses or skirts because it embraces my femininity.’

[user104658]

So Marsh's summary is that this person felt physically more comfortable in dresses and that's why she chooses to wear them, is backed up by a statement that makes it abundantly clear that she is referring to feeling more comfortable as an individual / as an identity (and not the physical comfort of the softer fabric ) oh and also states that she has actually had her male genitals removed.

But yes all of this clearly would lead to the conclusion that this is just "just a bloke who felt more physically comfortable in female clothes so wears dresses".

Clear as day.




No what is in fact going on here is that people are OK with trans so long as the individual looks and sounds feminine and pretty, but "ugly trans" isn't allowed and those blokes should get their overalls back on. Amirite? Disgusting pervs, how DARE they not have dainty features .

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So Marsh's summary is that this person felt physically more comfortable in dresses and that's why she chooses to wear them, is backed up by a statement that makes it abundantly clear that she is referring to feeling more comfortable as an individual / as an identity (and not the physical comfort of the softer fabric ) oh and also states that she has actually had her male genitals removed.

But yes all of this clearly would lead to the conclusion that this is just "just a bloke who felt more physically comfortable in female clothes so wears dresses".

Clear as day.




No what is in fact going on here is that people are OK with trans so long as the individual looks and sounds feminine and pretty, but "ugly trans" isn't allowed and those blokes should get their overalls back on. Amirite? Disgusting pervs, how DARE they not have dainty features .

What's going on here from my point of view is that this person is making this story up, and this should have never made the TV.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's going on here from my point of view is that this person is making this story up, and this should have never made the TV.

Whether or not the train story is true is completely irrelevant to everything I've said in the post you quoted, Alf.

Though I see no reason to think that it's "made up". The demand for compensation is a bit much and an apology should be enough but it being a complete fabrication is a stretch.

[GoldHeart]

if YOU YOURSELF accidentally called this trans woman a "SIR" or "HE" and she went ballistic calling you prejudice and blah blah?? , what if you apologised and she still reported you and went on national TV moaning about it and demanding compensation? .

Sometimes genuine mistakes happen and people get misgendered, it's not the end of the world. If there was name calling & mocking then that's different . But to call a slip of the tongue a "hate crime" is just stupid . , Some people get confused as sometimes its cross dressers and so on .

And this person obviously just wants attention! as she didn't even correct the first person who called her "sir", and the second person again might of genuinely thought she was a man by hearing the voice .yet she insists on forming a complaint and going to court and getting compensation .