[Beso]

I don't recall labours 2jags being dragged over the coals when he punched the bloke who threw an egg...I'm sure he was applauded

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I don't recall labours 2jags being dragged over the coals when he punched the bloke who threw an egg...I'm sure he was applauded

Someone has just been recently and rghtly prosecuted for a milkshake assault on Farage.

You neglect to highlight, not surprisingly to me, the point that that egg thrower actually initiated and assaulted Prescott first.

This woman didn't assault this MP, nor try to fight back at him.
There's a world of a difference in your scenario.

As I said in earlier post.
Had this been a Labour MP who done this.
I feel sure you would possibly be one leading the outrage in thread after thread.
Wanting him near hung,drawn and quartered.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Someone has just been recently and rghtly prosecuted for a milkshake assault on Farage.

You neglect to highlight, not surprisingly to me, the point that that egg thrower actually initiated and assaulted Prescott first.

This woman didn't assault this MP, nor try to fight back at him.
There's a world of a difference in your scenario.

As I said in earlier post.
Had this been a Labour MP who done this.
I feel sure you would possibly be one leading the outrage in thread after thread.
Wanting him near hung,drawn and quartered.

You can feel as sure as you like, but my applauding of 2jags at the time dispels your myth.

[Liam-]

He definitely wouldn’t have been as aggressive and handsy if that was a bloke, get him gone

[Liam-]

Tea

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Tea

Sorry but yeah. Obviously not all of 'the right' but the overwhelming response to this I have seen from right wing people I know is 'no big deal, security breach' etc. And thse are the very same people who were wailing a few weeks back about a joke or milkshakes (actually, more over the robinson milkshake than farages oddly enough..). Mind, it should be expected I guess, given a few of these same people decided the video where robinson punched that guy to the ground randomly was 'clearly self defense'

This was clearly not reasonable force, and the anger on his face is..a bit much too. I find it really odd that there were no security staff at a do like that? Unless they were but he wanted to show his big bollocks or something, which wouldn't shock me.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sorry but yeah. Obviously not all of 'the right' but the overwhelming response to this I have seen from right wing people I know is 'no big deal, security breach' etc. And thse are the very same people who were wailing a few weeks back about a joke or milkshakes (actually, more over the robinson milkshake than farages oddly enough..). Mind, it should be expected I guess, given a few of these same people decided the video where robinson punched that guy to the ground randomly was 'clearly self defense'

This was clearly not reasonable force, and the anger on his face is..a bit much too. I find it really odd that there were no security staff at a do like that? Unless they were but he wanted to show his big bollocks or something, which wouldn't shock me.

There was a woman who tried to take her away from him and he rushed passed her to carry on pushing her out, seems to me like he enjoyed playing the big man by assaulting a woman, who clearly, posed no threat.

Let’s remember, trespassing isn’t illegal, so her only crime was wearing an ugly red dress to posh black tie event, maybe Mark is just a big secret fashionista and that’s why he got so mad?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Tea

true

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Withano

true

What is the right? ?

Can you explain to me what "the right" is.?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What is the right? ?

Can you explain to me what "the right" is.?

Have a strong feeling you’re already prepared to argue back at any answer given

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Tea

- Farage was making political appearances, no danger to anyone

- Brand jokingly incited violence, but chimping over that is stupid

- woman broke into a political meeting and was striding over toward one of the members. She could easily have been a threat.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

- Farage was making political appearances, no danger to anyone

- Brand jokingly incited violence, but chimping over that is stupid

- woman broke into a political meeting and was striding over toward one of the members. She could easily have been a threat.

Jokingly inciting violence is worse than actual, literal violence

Ok oliver

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Jokingly inciting violence is worse than actual, literal violence

Ok oliver

and then I said that chimping out over it was stupid. It's right there in the post. I was addressing all three points from the tweet.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

and then I said that chimping out over it was stupid. It's right there in the post. I was addressing all three points from the tweet.

I literally have no idea what point you was trying to make.

[Tom4784]

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

Dezzy, you are one who talks the most sense on here honestly.
I agree with all you say.

Only this guy had that reaction.
He grabbed a Woman by the neck.
Not try to escort her out by her arm.
That in itself is a threatening act.

I'd be saying all this no matter who it was, an MP or not.
Irrespective if Party.

He was wrong in his response as a person and it is assault as no one acted as he did.
No one else even seemed bothered.

This thread made, even before anyone posted it has at its head.
Tory MP in the heading.
TORY MP, clear as day

Had it said Labour MP.
Those with the irrational venomous spite against the Labour movement, would be screaming this was something Corbyn needs to stamp out in Labour and that the assault was from the usual left wing thug element.
I'd bet most of all I have on that..

Yet they cry out at times for reasoned debate.

Once this heading of Tory MP was there.
The sad defence of this assault has flowed.
Showing total double standards.

I've had my eyes well and truly opened on this thread, I'm left frankly stunned and sickened.

The law tells you, you cannot legally and shouldn't take the law into your own hands.
That's what he did, against a Woman.

She shouldn't have been there, to some on here protestors shouldn't be anywhere.
The women, a whole group of them were there, people there were talking to the other women.

This angry individual was the only one to assault any of them.

It's a disgrace anyone is trying to defend him as to his menacing and threatening response to that woman.
[Sickening totally.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Dezzy, you are one who talks the most sense on here honestly.
I agree with all you say.

Only this guy had that reaction.
He grabbed a Woman by the neck.
Not try to escort her out by her arm.
That in itself is a threatening act.

I'd be saying all this no matter who it was, an MP or not.
Irrespective if Party.

He was wrong in his response as a person and it is assault as no one acted as he did.
No one else even seemed bothered.

This thread made, even before anyone posted it has at its head.
Tory MP in the heading.
TORY MP, clear as day

Had it said Labour MP.
Those with the irrational venomous spite against the Labour movement, would be screaming this was something Corbyn needs to stamp out in Labour and that the assault was from the usual left wing thug element.
I'd bet most of all I have on that..

Yet they cry out at times for reasoned debate.

Once this heading of Tory MP was there.
The sad defence of this assault has flowed.
Showing total double standards.

I've had my eyes well and truly opened on this thread, I'm left frankly stunned and sickened.

The law tells you, you cannot legally and shouldn't take the law into your own hands.
That's what he did, against a Woman.

She shouldn't have been there, to some on here protestors shouldn't be anywhere.
The women, a whole group of them were there, people there were talking to the other women.

This angry individual was the only one to assault any of them.

It's a disgrace anyone is trying to defend him as to his menacing and threatening response to that woman.
[Sickening totally.

I tell you what I find sickening and astounding Joey, you have laboured the same point over and over on this thread, making if very clear that you are attacking someone that considers you a good friend, I think most people could argue their point without resorting to the crushing insults you have heaped on the head of someone who considers you a friend. If I were Kazanne I would have told you where to shove your attitude by now but she is far too nice to do that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

This BS irks me more than it should.

She was not armed and nobody else at that table felt threatend ..only him.


Politicians do have reason to be cautious..Many MP's face peaceful...abusive and aggresive protesters leaving Westminster every day and don't react like this.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.



But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.



Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

[Livia]

He was probably furious. I would have been.... at a dinner at Mansion House and suddenly there's a stream of protestors. They could have been anyone or done anything. Where the bloody hell was security? And they're protesting to the wrong people.

[Vicky.]

I have to wonder..if he would have reacted the same way was it a bloke. I have my thoughts on that, but obviously 'what ifs' cannot really be proven either way.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have to wonder..if he would have reacted the same way was it a bloke. I have my thoughts on that, but obviously 'what ifs' cannot really be proven either way.

If it had been a bloke ,nothing would have been said,do we want security at these functions or should we allow people to roam round willy nilly,seems like some want the latter, and to the person asking where could she hide anything your kidding right,you'de be surprised what a bra or scarf can hide,even under the arms,IF someone had been hurt or killed people would be screaming we were too lax,we cant have both or one rule for guys and one rule for women,shes probably loving the attention its got.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If it had been a bloke ,nothing would have been said,do we want security at these functions or should we allow people to roam round willy nilly,seems like some want the latter, and to the person asking where could she hide anything your kidding right,you'de be surprised what a bra or scarf can hide,even under the arms,IF someone had been hurt or killed people would be screaming we were too lax,we cant have both or one rule for guys and one rule for women,shes probably loving the attention its got.

That sounds like something trump would say

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

[/B]

That sounds like something trump would say

Does it ? I wouldn't know as I'm not him