[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and they should butt out and stop trying to influence the british people

Exactly Bots.

[Alf]

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

well i do feel some sympathy for Boris, especially when Farage and goons go on and on being against him, when they themselves have also got certain flaws

and Boris is still a better PM than Farage ever will be (cause those deluded brexit party idiots totally believe him becoming that)

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well i do feel some sympathy for Boris, especially when Farage and goons go on and on being against him, when they themselves have also got certain flaws

and Boris is still a better PM than Farage ever will be (cause those deluded brexit party idiots totally believe him becoming that)

We can't use language with a bad tone against anybody. Including Nigel Farage and Stephen Yaxley Lennon. We can't have one rule for one and a different rule for another.

That's the deal, you in?

Alternatively, people could stop crying about language and accept we all use it, and without it we'd make no progress in life.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

We can't use language with a bad tone against anybody. Including Nigel Farage and Stephen Yaxley Lennon. We can't have one rule for one and a different rule for another.

That's the deal, you in?

Alternatively, people could stop crying about language and accept we all use it, and without it we'd make no progress in life.

how about no? and i'm all in for freedom of speech, and you just have bad tone language in political debates, especially when they get too heated up

and no way i am gonna say nice things about Farage, i'd rather eat my shoes

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

how about no? and i'm all in for freedom of speech, and you just have bad tone language in political debates, especially when they get too heated up

and no way i am gonna say nice things about Farage, i'd rather eat my shoes

I agree with you, and I believe you don't have to say nice things, but I also think Boris should have that same right as you.

Keep your eye on these people, because they're trying to take away our right to criticise them. And that's not on for any of us.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

Yes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

No because it's true :/

[Vicky.]

I do agree with alf here, that if complaining about extreme language used against opponents, the left really have no leg to stand on here. The word nazi is flung around a fair bit, along with other extreme descriptions used for..well non nazis, simply stating right wing views can get you branded such.

I do agree the extreme language needs to go, and agree it could..empower more nutters like Rigby. But it needs to stop completely, not just from one side.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do agree with alf here, that if complaining about extreme language used against opponents, the left really have no leg to stand on here. The word nazi is flung around a fair bit, along with other extreme descriptions used for..well non nazis, simply stating right wing views can get you branded such.

I do agree the extreme language needs to go, and agree it could..empower more nutters like Rigby. But it needs to stop completely, not just from one side.

I and others ON the left on here were termed terrorist supporting red Nazis.
It's not just the left that uses that.

I on the left have NEVER used that word to anyone.
On or off here actually.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I and others ON the left on here were termed terrorist supporting red Nazis.
It's not just the left that uses that.

I on the left have NEVER used that word to anyone.
On or off here actually.

Well surely it goes without saying that not every single person on the left does this. But it seems a widespread problem.

And yeah, its not just the left. Both sides are at fault here. And it needs to end.

[Twosugars]

Bojo the lying clown is now a nasty lying clown

[Niamh.]

I think the MPs need to chill the **** out in general though when 'debating'. Yeah, debating inspires passion in people, but it really seems they all just yell at each other and insult each other, its not really good to see those who are in charge of the country behaving like children.

Yeah it's weird and it's not just the UK either, I don't get why it's acceptable and expected of Politicians to behave like babies and fire insults at eachother. Why can't they be professionals like every other person who works have to do? It's weird

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think the MPs need to chill the **** out in general though when 'debating'. Yeah, debating inspires passion in people, but it really seems they all just yell at each other and insult each other, its not really good to see those who are in charge of the country behaving like children.

Yeah it's weird and it's not just the UK either, I don't get why it's acceptable and expected of Politicians to behave like babies and fire insults at eachother. Why can't they be professionals like every other person who works have to do? It's weird

Quite. I cannot imagine any other group of prosessionals behaving like this, especially when they know its being filmed and the public are watching.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite. I cannot imagine any other group of prosessionals behaving like this, especially when they know its being filmed and the public are watching.

I know, it's embarrassing

[arista]

[MTVN]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Who is this Neil Coyle ? what a foul mouthed individual he is ,is he one of the ones talking about language, I mean humbug is far worse than his rant here isn't it ? what a hypocrite.

[Kizzy]

Well.. at least that exchange wasn't in the commons :/
It just goes to show though that the right leaning commentators are fighting to get this spun around so the accusers are seen to be the ones at fault and not the accused!!
I stand by those MPs who brought Jo Cox name into the discussion.. it's apt and relevant,are we all just meant to forget her, or how and why she died?

No way, Boris is wrong and he needs to take the shame all this they're both as bad as each other...no they are not!
Nobody in that house of commons has been as insulting or offensive. Nobody.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well.. at least that exchange wasn't in the commons :/
It just goes to show though that the right leaning commentators are fighting to get this spun around so the accusers are seen to be the ones at fault and not the accused!!
I stand by those MPs who brought Jo Cox name into the discussion.. it's apt and relevant,are we all just meant to forget her, or how and why she died?

No way, Boris is wrong and he needs to take the shame all this they're both as bad as each other...no they are not!
Nobody in that house of commons has been as insulting or offensive. Nobody.

I think Boris handled that question poorly ftr but it's being deliberately misrepresented now with Jess Phillips saying he described Coxs murder as 'humbug' - that wasn't the case. He was disagreeing with her claim that using the term 'surrender bill' and Coxs murder were in any way connected. She also tried to claim that Boris used the word 'traitor' which he has never used

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think Boris handled that question poorly ftr but it's being deliberately misrepresented now with Jess Phillips saying he described Coxs murder as 'humbug' - that wasn't the case. He was disagreeing with her claim that using the term 'surrender bill' and Coxs murder were in any way connected. She also tried to claim that Boris used the word 'traitor' which he has never used

Jess Phillips who will stab Politicians in the front, not the back. Her words, not mine.

Language Timothy

[Vicky.]

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

omg he said that? that's disgraceful

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

'Left Wing Terrorism' isn't the number 1 rising terrorist threat in the west right now, it's right wing terrorism. The difference between calling someone like Trump a Nazi (which is more than apt, considering the ****er literally has concentration camps full of immigrants) is that doing so isn't going to result in terrorism towards the right while Trump's own words have been inspiring mass shootings since he's been in office. The Brexiters making out that they're fighting some holy war creates targets of the people they oppose and an MP has already been slain by such rhetoric and Jo won't be the last at this rate.

You cannot play the centrist and say that both sides are as bad as each other when the right have blood on their hands and they are willing to protect the people who spilled that blood.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Left Wing Terrorism' isn't the number 1 rising terrorist threat in the west right now, it's right wing terrorism. The difference between calling someone like Trump a Nazi (which is more than apt, considering the ****er literally has concentration camps full of immigrants) is that doing so isn't going to result in terrorism towards the right while Trump's own words have been inspiring mass shootings since he's been in office. The Brexiters making out that they're fighting some holy war creates targets of the people they oppose and an MP has already been slain by such rhetoric and Jo won't be the last at this rate.

You cannot play the centrist and say that both sides are as bad as each other when the right have blood on their hands and they are willing to protect the people who spilled that blood.

I didn't say that and obviously I know that. Am not really on about calling trump a nazi either, it seems to be anyone with views not 'acceptable' to te left, which apparently seems to be anything even slightly right wing these days. Hell, for ****s sake I have been called a nazi on a fair few occasions by lefty dudebros. Its just the go to word it seems.

Honestly, whenever I post its fair to say its not about Trump at all. As basically, I want to attempt to pretend that idiotic prat does not exist at all as posting about him just makes me rage I have discovered, so I tend to avoid threads and stuff about him.

I do think both sides are as bad as each other in language. I think its ridiculous for 'the left' to be moaning about extreme language when 'they' are just as bad themselves. Obviously they are not as bad as each other when it comes to terrorism. That should be obvious.