[arista]

One Caller on LBC
who has Leukemia and if he gets near one of these kids
Unvaccinated, it will Kill him.

[Niamh.]

I'm a bit torn on this one, I'm very pro vax generally and I do think it's irresponsible not to vaccinate your child but If you make it compulsory, where does it stop? My kids have had all their normal vaccinations but a few years back they were offered a vaccine in school for either Swine flu or Ebola (I think it was Swine flu) which i refused after getting some advise from a friend of my mothers who's a Doctor (he said he wouldn't be giving it to his kids, not enough testing etc, too rushed out) but then again all the normal one measles/mumps/rubella etc have been extensively tested and proven to be successful and people are just filling themselves up with social media "facts" and anecdotal issues with the vaccines so I don't know where to stand with it tbh. Someone mentioned bodily autonomy back along (maybe TS?) but the child has no bodily autonomy either way here, it's either their parents deciding what's best for them or the state, it seems like the parents deciding against is putting that child at a greater risk

[AnnieK]

Having thought about it, I can almost get on board with it being compulsory but what worries me is its the kids who will suffer when their parents have made the choice. There will always need to be parental consent to actually get the vax and so little Billy who wants to go to school with his mates and learn will not be allowed to do so because his parent's haven't given consent.

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Having thought about it, I can almost get on board with it being compulsory but what worries me is its the kids who will suffer when their parents have made the choice. There will always need to be parental consent to actually get the vax and so little Billy who wants to go to school with his mates and learn will not be allowed to do so because his parent's haven't given consent.

Yes I am Glad LBC
spent a hour on this.
And Great James, Presenter
banned the Cocky Parent
who has not vaccinated his kid.

[Marsh.]

The crocodile's dilemma.

[Twosugars]

In this day and age experts and science are unpopular.

Second middle ages coming?

[Ammi]

...a spokesperson from the Conservative party ... “We’re not at the stage of refusing admission. Our priority is on increasing vaccination numbers, and I’ve set out some of the things that we’re doing.”

...I still can’t see how the ban could be implemented when it’s a legal requirement for a child to attend school...it’s also been this government’s aim to ensure all state schools become academies, which many are now...so what state schools will there be anyway, to look at non-vaccination bans...it just all feels like a distraction to me...’oh, look at the anti-vaxxers..!!!...let’s talk about that...’...a little focus away from our lack of dedication to the NHS ...maybe ban the anti-NHS people from parliament, would be more the thing...

[arista]

"I still can’t see how the ban could be implemented when it’s a legal requirement for a child to attend school."

Except a Child that has Not been Vaccinated.


They will change it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

"I still can’t see how the ban could be implemented when it’s a legal requirement for a child to attend school."

Except a Child that has Not been Vaccinated.


They will change it

That's a potential health AND education minefield though because - as I think someone said earlier in the thread - if a parent doesn't want to bother with their child's education, simply refusing to vaccinate will mean they have an "attendance loophole". So you have the kids falling through the cracks in terms of vaccination AND education.

My view on this (I'm sure you'll all be surprised to hear) remains unchanged; consent under duress is not consent, and government being handed the power to make health interventions mandatory is just another step towards a really chilling political future.

I sincerely HOPE that when Hancock starts asking medical experts about "how this would be implemented", a decent number of the doctors do talk to him about informed consent and just how ****ing important it is. This debate (not just here, everywhere) has demonstrated to me that Joe Public really has no idea how important it is, but I hold out a slight (probably naive) hope that doctors do know.

[Cherie]

I worked in a school for special needs for 8 years, we were routinely offered the flu jab each year, I always declined but some co-workers were worried they would be penalised if they declined and then got sick, obviously this wouldn't have been an issue but they felt obliged to take it, some people reacted badly to it, I can only imagine the worry if you were a parent and your first child had an allergic reaction to the jabs given and you were the forced to vaccinate subsequent children. It should be parental choice, most parents look at the pros and cons and take it up because no one wants to see their children get illnesses needlessly, I think the uptake in the UK is 90 per cent, down from 91, obviously if it continues to fall then I think an advertising campaign in the first instance might do the trick, banning kids from school etc is like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut

[Ammi]

...interesting that there are already vaccination shortages../...indefinite delays to some scheduled vaccinations...so this is something that this government is prioritising...?....while giving no thought/..application to the availability... crazzzy people...