[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And as Corbyn is classed as far left and his supporters I'm sure there are many cases where he and his followers have been or incited violence due to how integral it is to the ideology?...

I was talking more about people even further left tbh although McDonnell has certainly praised violence in the past

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Corbyn is in power because of Momentum, and they ARE a bunch of thugs. If the cap fits....

That is not true he was selected via his fellow MPs and kept as leader by the Labour membership. Stop spreading misinformation.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Corbyn is in power because of Momentum, and they ARE a bunch of thugs. If the cap fits....

Yes.... he is. They are not nice people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I was talking more about people even further left tbh although McDonnell has certainly praised violence in the past

Who then? Back up your claims... Stating 'people very far left are violent' is a misnomer, I'd be interested to see the mcdonnell quote too.
This is the issue I have with people intimating there is a problem equal to that of that found in terror is acts Bourne of extreme right wing ideology... it's terribly scant on detail and heavy on opinion.

[Withano]

Far right describes the people best really.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How did I know the moderates would be at fault here, extremes in any are part of life are bad, politics is no different

The problem are the moderates that are clearly right leaning but don't like the label. They aren't moderates, they are right wing but are too scared to own it and centrism has been invaded by these cowards thus centrism is rapidly becoming an apologist leaning for the right. You get the occasional actual centrist but most of them are Right Wing that are fearful of the label.

That is what enlightened centrism is, apologists for the Right while drawing bad faith comparisons to make both sides look bad when it's simply not the case.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem are the moderates that are clearly right leaning but don't like the label. They aren't moderates, they are right wing but are too scared to own it and centrism has been invaded by these cowards thus centrism is rapidly becoming an apologist leaning for the right. You get the occasional actual centrist but most of them are Right Wing that are fearful of the label.

That is what enlightened centrism is, apologists for the Right while drawing bad faith comparisons to make both sides look bad when it's simply not the case.

That's your opinion, its not based on any fact

Moderates to my view can lean slightly left or right depending on the issue

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's your opinion, its not based on any fact

Moderates to my view can lean slightly left or right depending on the issue

Yes, thank you for highlighting an opinion is an opinion, what would we do if we didn't have you to state the obvious? We'd surely be lost.

Telling someone that their opinion is an opinion isn't a counter argument, it's a nothing response.

Again, thank you for highlighting what a moderate is while missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Yes, that is a moderate but if you read what I said properly, you'd have known that I was saying that moderates are basically being taken over by the soft right wing. A centrist is someone who can go either way depending on an issue, it's not someone who tries to make out both sides are the same while being favourable to the other, that's just bad faith.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, thank you for highlighting an opinion is an opinion, what would we do if we didn't have you to state the obvious? We'd surely be lost.

Telling someone that their opinion is an opinion isn't a counter argument, it's a nothing response.

Again, thank you for highlighting what a moderate is while missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Yes, that is a moderate but if you read what I said properly, you'd have known that I was saying that moderates are basically being taken over by the soft right wing. A centrist is someone who can go either way depending on an issue, it's not someone who tries to make out both sides are the same while being favourable to the other, that's just bad faith.

No need to be so salty, seems like I hit a nerve maybe

Any evidence to back this up, do you really know what every moderate is thinking?