[Tom4784]

Being bipolar doesn't excuse someone from being bigoted and, as TS has said, it wasn't that long ago that he said these things and it's not like he suffered much in the way of consequences for it so the chances of him learning from his mistakes is unlikely.

Sports personality awards should go to people of moral fibre and not enough time has passed especially considering he was childish enough to storm out of interviews two years ago about this subject instead of tackling them head on and showing how much he has purportedly changed.

[Alf]

He may not win Sports personality anyway. Unless he fights and beats AJ during the year.

It's an olympic year, so there's bound to be some strong contenders there. And if England win the football European Championships, then a football player is likely to win

The BBC has lost all credibility anyway, so this award isn't as prestigious as it used to be.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

He may not win Sports personality anyway. Unless he fights and beats AJ during the year.

It's an olympic year, so there's bound to be some strong contenders there. And if England win the football European Championships, then a football player is likely to win

The BBC has lost all credibility anyway, so this award isn't as prestigious as it used to be.

No he AJ has gone Greedy 70/40 deal?

It should be a 50/50 deal.

So back to Terminate Wilder for ever.

[arista]

Yes The Church he follows
changed him.

But back then he was Unwell in his mind
So LT is picking on a Sick fella?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes The Church he follows
changed him.

But back then he was Unwell in his mind
So LT is picking on a Sick fella?

It's not an excuse. I can accept that he let these views slip in public because he was struggling with his mental health, but not that they magically appeared in his head because of his mental health. He already thought those things, the reasons they slipped out aren't all that important.

There ARE cases where people in mental turmoil will say "the worst things they can think of" purely for effect, self-destructive tendencies, to "watch the world burn" but this doesn't come across as that at all. Not spontaneous or agitated.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes The Church he follows
changed him.

But back then he was Unwell in his mind
So LT is picking on a Sick fella?

And Jesus's message was Love Each Other. Even I know that. I'm not sure how they could have got that message so skewed.

[bots]

Patiently waiting for the ... it's not his fault, he was a member of the boy scouts

[Cherie]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Tyson is vilified while Kobe is glorified....

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Tyson is vilified while Kobe is glorified....

Shall I say it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Tyson is vilified while Kobe is glorified....

Hey I vilify them both

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Tyson is vilified while Kobe is glorified....

Because he's dead? I'm not saying that's "right" but it's the main reason. I'm not sure that needed explaining.

[Beso]

I'm sure it's easy enough to forgive a man who is sorry for his past, and he is sorry. So let's forgive him.

[Livia]

Oh right. Him from the helicopter crash. That is all I know about him though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If only Rolf has boxed

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If only Rolf has boxed

Rolf is a paedophile, there is no comparison at all This is nearly as bad as comparing him to Danny Baker

[Denver]

Jordan Henderson or cancel the shambles of the award

[Liam-]

He’s a raging bigot, no thanks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He’s a raging bigot, no thanks

he is Liverpool's captain

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he is Liverpool's captain

[Kizzy]

He's a personality and a half I'll give him that.. however, unless he retracts those comments I wouldn't say he was a good candidate for any award not specifically linked to his sporting ability.

[Tom4784]

As for Kobe Bryant, I don't really know what happened with him and his past so I'm just gonna do what I do when it comes to Micheal Jackson, wait and see.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As for Kobe Bryant, I don't really know what happened with him and his past so I'm just gonna do what I do when it comes to Micheal Jackson, wait and see.

lol, it's well documented, he was also find 100k for a homophobic slur, and you went no where near THAT thread, are you a sports fan?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13075858

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As for Kobe Bryant, I don't really know what happened with him and his past so I'm just gonna do what I do when it comes to Micheal Jackson, wait and see.

There's not really anything to wait and see, it was all resolved years ago. A hotel worker accused him of rape, he said that in his mind there had been consent. The criminal case was dropped because she ended up not testifying, she took him to civil courts and he settled out of court. He later released a statement reflecting on it still saying that he had mistaken it for consent but could see on reflection after the evidence given in the civil case that he was wrong (essentially, he admitted to it). Nothing more came of it after the lawsuit settlement.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's not really anything to wait and see, it was all resolved years ago. A hotel worker accused him of rape, he said that in his mind there had been consent. The criminal case was dropped because she ended up not testifying, she took him to civil courts and he settled out of court. He later released a statement reflecting on it still saying that he had mistaken it for consent but could see on reflection after the evidence given in the civil case that he was wrong (essentially, he admitted to it). Nothing more came of it after the lawsuit settlement.

Yes that looks like consent

However, a medical examination appeared to lend support to the woman's case, with a doctor finding lacerations to her vaginal wall, a bruise on her neck and blood in her underwear. Bryant's shirt was also covered in blood, and he told police he'd not explicitly asked for her consent.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...opped-21375432

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes that looks like consent

However, a medical examination appeared to lend support to the woman's case, with a doctor finding lacerations to her vaginal wall, a bruise on her neck and blood in her underwear. Bryant's shirt was also covered in blood, and he told police he'd not explicitly asked for her consent.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...opped-21375432

From what I read she agreed not to testify in the criminal case, if he apologised and she would civilly sue him. She was getting her name and reputation dragged through the mud and facing alot of harassment as often happens to rape victims when the accused is a popular sports star/celebrity. I wouldn't blame any woman in her situation for doing the same, as unfair as it is.

I read that they were saying because she'd had sex that day (consensually with an on/off b/f) that she was a bit of a slapper because if she said yes to one man that day that automatically means she's up for it with anyone.

I also read that after court Kobe said something like "I guess no really does mean no"