[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

Normal life with her husband !!! i don't think so jail is where she belongs.

[Denver]

Why is Nicky being a isis sympathiser though?

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

CAH! Not the rebellious teen phase

[MTVN]

Here for a Nicky91 global affairs podcast

[Oliver_W]

If she was going through an edgy rebellious teenage phase, for her household it'd probably involve having her hair and ankles on display while eating bacon, not running away to join a murderous cult.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

jeez you taking everything as read today Marsh, no one knows everything, its just a turn of phrase

It's ok to be wrong Cherie, you don't have to make it my problem.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's ok to be wrong Cherie, you don't have to make it my problem.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

That’s enough Internet for one day...

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

she has no connections to isis anymore though

but if you guys don't want her back, let her come to Netherlands, some of our refugee camps/homes are quite nice, and most in there are very social with each other, a real community that is becoming, i think Shamima and her husband would fit in well there, and she is allowed to come to my country since her husband is dutch

Not Nicky’s new neighbours

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Mitchell

Not Nicky’s new neighbours

Not when his mum use to shout at the immigrant children playing outside

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

CAH! Not the rebellious teen phase

Screaming

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Denver

I think with Shamima she is now an adult and has shown no remorse for her actions if she was still a child I'd say let her back but she is a grown ass woman who is a danger to the country

It's not really an issue of 'should we let her come back?'. She's a UK citizen living illegally in Iraq and we don't really have much choice taking her back.

Just imagine if an Iraqi terrorist was living illegally in the UK and Iraq were like 'no, you keep her, we don't want her back.' The outrage would be ridiculous yet we expect Iraq to be okay with just that.

We can't revoke her citizenship, the appeals will go in her favour because she doesn't have citizenship elsewhere. We've just got to hope that she faces consequences for her actions and that she can be deradicalised.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Denver

Not when his mum use to shout at the immigrant children playing outside

Hope he’s got enough room for a rhino

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's an interesting question. I really haven't seen anyone feel sorry Shamima though?

Until today on this thread

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Until today on this thread

Excluding Nicky

[Conzors]

You cant really compare the two...

... one is a potential terrorist with instructions. Shes already been brainwashed once, who's to say she still isnt.

... one is a young person with views and intelligence beyond her age and doesnt know how to the right way to express them yet.

I know what one i'd give a pass to.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's an interesting question. I really haven't seen anyone feel sorry Shamima though?

I do feel sorry for her, as I feel sorry for anyone who has been radicalised, the "footsoldiers" of all brands of terrorism. Calling it a choice in any situation misunderstands and really underestimates what radicalisation is... in fact it's important that we DON'T start dismissing it as having an element of choice, because that leads to complacency. Also, of course, important to remember than a lot of the leaders of these groups are not truly radicalised at all and know exactly what they're doing in recruiting young.

None of that, of course, negates the fact that a radicalised individual is dangerous ... but I don't think they're mutually exclusive things. You can feel sorry for a dangerous individual whilst acknowledging that it's not safe to allow them freedom.


There is also of course the fact that an awful lot of (not very clever) people don't actually understand what "terrorist sympathiser" means. Feeling sorry for an individual who has been twisted and radicalised has nothing to do with being a terrorist sympathiser. It doesn't mean "having sympathy for someone who is a terrorist". It means having sympathy for the cause or beliefs of terrorists, which is obviously a completely different thing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by arista

From Feb 2019

afjkfjkssfjk What is this the 1990s?

[Ammi]

...I think that we have to look at their differences, not any similarities because the similarities would be quite vague, surely...they’re both female and around a similar age but the course of their lives is entirely different...I know it’s a complete simplification but one mindset is motivated by the preservation of life, the other mindset has been radicalised into placing little value on...

[Nicky91]

i do not sympathize for isis, nor for any terrorist group


also she should not go to jail


so yeah if you guys in UK do not want her, i hope we in Netherlands will take her in

[Ammi]

...how can it ever work her regaining her citizenship and residing here...how can she ever be protected from the ‘hate’ she’ll receive, she’s such a recognisable person...and she’ll be hounded every moment/every second...

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i do not sympathize for isis, nor for any terrorist group


also she should not go to jail


so yeah if you guys in UK do not want her, i hope we in Netherlands will take her in

Your dear conservative Prime Minister Mark Rutte who negotiated a grand coalition with the Christen-Democratisch Appèl (Christian Union) would never allow it.

And yes, she should go to jail. wtf are you on about.

[Livia]

People imagine Begum is still a UK citizen. She is not. Begum has been stripped of her UK citizenship. She's appealing against it and a judge has said she should be able to return to the UK to be able to pursue an effective appeal. But right now, she is not a UK citizen.

The only people who listen to Greta are other teenagers and self-flagellating liberals. She's a rather plain teenager with famous parents. That doesn't give her any special insight into global warming. I, and I'm sure a lot of people on here, take global warming seriously and kind of resent being lectured by a child.

18 is the age of majority. From time to time it's discussed that we should allow 16 year olds to vote. I personally don't believe that is correct. People would be shocked if we started locking up 16 year olds in grown up prison. If you're old enough for one, you're old enough for the other.

[Oliver_W]

Whether or not Begum should be allowed to return,why should it be paid for?

If she wants to come back, she can either buy a plane ticket, or follow the same route other migrants from that part of the world do. She doesn't an easy life.