[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If it’s your place of work and your arse is parked on the dole because the building has burned down, that building is quite important...no?

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

You should let them burn your home down because obviously it’s a great cause and will achieve an end to racism.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

They're two separate things, anyone who does either is just scum. Destroying people's livelihoods won't repair a bullet to the head any more than simply being insured will erase the hardship that the riots bring to business owners.

The owners of the B & L Office Furniture, Scott Carpenter and his mother Linda, told Townhall they had been in business for over 40 years and were extremely disheartened to see the store being torched.

"I don't know what's next, what do we do next, other than clean up and I have some loose ends with some customers that we have going on," Scott said, adding "we can't leave our customers hanging...but I feel sadden because this is done."

Linda said they'll try to keep working.

"It's not justifiable," Scott said. "We have insurance, yeah, but the insurance isn't there so somebody can destroy your things...we pay for it. It causes insurance rates to go up. It's basically theft. Whoever did this stole from us."

Scott's warning to business owners who still have stores standing to "be ready" for Tuesday night and told the rioters that burning down random businesses isn't helping. When Scott was talking with a local news crew, Linda came up crying in shock from the damage to the store.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julior...chaos-n2575006

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

You are missing the point, insurance will rebuild the building, in the meantime, any business it housed could go bust and create endless human misery

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Everyone knows buildings are nowhere near as important as people. But there is a debate to be had as far as the 'are the protests being handled and demonstrated correctly'. It just paints a bad picture when local businesses, cars, and other property is needlessly be destroyed.

What if an innocent person got trapped in one of the burning buildings for example?

I think most people who ask the question, know a human life matters more than a building, but is it really necessary to burn down a local shop? What does that achieve?

Your problem lies with the right wing agitators that are sabotaging protests to undermine them. If you allow yourself to believe that the protests are violent riots then you're being taken in by Right Wing sabotage to make you think that way.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine thinking buildings are more important than people

Imagine thinking that "their methods are wrong" equates to "their beliefs are wrong."

[Kizzy]

Farage is the British face of facism, there is not one quality he possesses that I would consider 'British' he and his kindare a bastardisation of right wing conservative values. It's this that's being vomited up as an example of patriotism.

If anyone can name one positive example of British culture that he extols, just one thing that he advocates that does not involve denigrating or subjugating others I will change my mind.

There you go.. challenge for someone, what exactly is farage view of patriotism, how does it manifest? Is it anything like brits are, contrary to popular belief im very proud of the British people..I just don't see any of the will and the fortitude we have celebrated in his words, just how to keep others out or down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Farage is the British face of facism

No kzzy

He just isn't

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No kzzy

He just isn't

That doesn't disprove my argument.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That doesn't disprove my argument.

It’s an opinion not an argument.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s an opinion not an argument.

It may be but there was no substance to that opinion. When I gave my opinion I asked if there was any counter opinion that would change my mind.

I wasn't expecting much tbh but 'no he isn't' to me isn't much of an opinion as there's nothing to back it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Farage is the British face of facism, there is not one quality he possesses that I would consider 'British' he and his kindare a bastardisation of right wing conservative values. It's this that's being vomited up as an example of patriotism.

If anyone can name one positive example of British culture that he extols, just one thing that he advocates that does not involve denigrating or subjugating others I will change my mind.

There you go.. challenge for someone, what exactly is farage view of patriotism, how does it manifest? Is it anything like brits are, contrary to popular belief im very proud of the British people..I just don't see any of the will and the fortitude we have celebrated in his words, just how to keep others out or down.

I agree he is very close to being so.

I find totally distasteful his ugly language of other human beings.
Plus his twisting of issues to present as truth, his distorted prejudices and more extreme divisive rhetoric.

I give him credit on one thing only, he has never wavered on the EU or his views on it.
He was correct along with others that it needed massive reform.
It did and it does.
However that's where I stop as to anything he's stood for.

I didn't agree we should leave the EU, I believe you sort problems out from within not running away.

His awful divisive, intolerance, smug coldness and extreme prejudices at times which shows itself.
I think do take him to a nearer fascist element..

I'd fear greatly a man with his erratic prejudices ever having power.

It plays to an audience he has.
Those who like twisting others statements and who maybe hold some of the same prejudices he has.

I cannot bear Farage, I think he's been the most divisively dangerous politician in the last decade or more.

Thankfully he's never won power himself or for any party he's led either.
The saddest thing for me is, that in part, his divisiveness has been taken up by the present Con party.
Who are now intolerant of those of their own ranks who dare speak out against them publicly.

So overall on your post Kizzy, I agree with you.

Until something politically happens that creates a more consensus in politics, then unfortunately this kind of populist divisive attitude is just going to gain more momentum.
People like Farage, the instigators of that too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree he is very close to being so.

I find totally distasteful his ugly language of other human beings.
Plus his twisting of issues to present as truth, his distorted prejudices and more extreme divisive rhetoric.

I give him credit on one thing only, he has never wavered on the EU or his views on it.
He was correct along with others that it needed massive reform.
It did and it does.
However that's where I stop as to anything he's stood for.

I didn't agree we should leave the EU, I believe you sort problems out from within not running away.

His awful divisive, intolerance, smug coldness and extreme prejudices at times which shows itself.
I think do take him to a nearer fascist element..

I'd fear greatly a man with his erratic prejudices ever having power.

It plays to an audience he has.
Those who like twisting others statements and who maybe hold some of the same prejudices he has.

I cannot bear Farage, I think he's been the most divisively dangerous politician in the last decade or more.

Thankfully he's never won power himself or for any party he's led either.
The saddest thing for me is, that in part, his divisiveness has been taken up by the present Con party.
Who are now intolerant of those of their own ranks who dare speak out against them publicly.

So overall on your post Kizzy, I agree with you.

Until something politically happens that creates a more consensus in politics, then unfortunately this kind of populist divisive attitude is just going to gain more momentum.
People like Farage, the instigators of that too.

Thanks Joey, I agree with a need to reform however the issues were magnified to make other options appear more attractive. He is without doubt a great speaker, but he's a better rabble rouser, that's what playing to the fears of Britons did.
Has he carried on his campaign for specific funds for the NHS? No.. Has he offered up any joined up solution to the refugee crisis between the UK and EU? ...No.

Nothing he does has any positive outcome for anyone bar advancing what appears to me to be a far right alignment.

[Oliver_W]

I neither like nor dislike Farage but it's bonkers to definitively say hes a fascist based on his being an idiot teen and making a poster with a big long line of people.

[bots]

I don't like farage, i never have, but he voices opinions that are very popular amongst millions of Britains. His political views are not fascist and people don't help their cause by labelling people something they are not. The best way to defeat Farage is to argue against his views without resorting to insults

[Ammi]

....hmmm....but that’s what Populism is, surely...it follows views and attaches itself to them so obviously that’s what it’s going to voice...and it’s a disingenuous voice, only spoken for its own gain and it’s own ambition..it’s not based on a belief system or any desire for change etc... it’s in it for the money, honey...and also to create a divisive voice in a nation, so it can count its income while watching that divide through its ivory window...’arguing against’ just feeds it further and is exactly what is hoped for ....ignoring, ignoring is the only way...but that will never happen because of the nature of the beast of Populism....

[Tom4784]

Farage voices ***** views, if his views are truly mainstream then that just means the UK is full of *****.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Youtube video

Some excellent analysis all around his new book

Douglas Kear Murray (born 16 July 1979) is a British conservative author and political commentator.He founded the Centre for Social Cohesion in 2007, which became part of the Henry Jackson Society, where he was Associate Director from 2011 to 2018. He is also an associate editor of the British political and cultural magazine The Spectator.

Murray has written columns for publications such as Standpoint and The Wall Street Journal. He is the author of Neoconservatism: Why We Need It (2005), Bloody Sunday: Truths, Lies and the Saville Inquiry (2011) about the Bloody Sunday Inquiry, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam (2017), and The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity (2019).

Just watched this, his neoconservative lens is very narrow and to attempt to examine all these events through it is a joke.

Look at his take on equality, women have equality now so why are some still propping up barricades?

End of conversation... because in theory there may be equality but in practice? This has been the ongoing issue, he conveniently sidelines that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

End of conversation... because in theory there may be equality but in practice?

In what ways, do you think?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In what ways, do you think?

Google 'glass ceiling'.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Google 'glass ceiling'.

Okay, I'm actually with you on that one - women being denied promotions and/or jobs because of their sex is probably almost as responsible for what is inaccurately labelled as the "pay gap" as women working different jobs and hours to men.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay, I'm actually with you on that one - women being denied promotions and/or jobs because of their sex is probably almost as responsible for what is inaccurately labelled as the "pay gap" as women working different jobs and hours to men.

The problem is that legal equality and social equality are not really the same thing. In Britain we have legal equality - absolutely - but there are still major issues when it comes to social equality and how people are treated, and this leads to a lot of functional inequality even where it legally should not. There are anti-discrimination laws but deliberate discrimination can be very hard to prove when it's low-level and systemic rather than in-your-face. There are social issues that aren't at the employer level so can't be tackled via that route. e.g. there's a lot of research that shows that people (both men and women) are more agreeable with men and more easily swayed by men, where they will argue with and second-guess a female (even a professional) and take them less seriously no matter their ability level. The practical effect of that in a business context is that a male employee will appear, on paper, to be more productive, thus will be assumed to be more capable, thus will secure promotion more easily etc. etc.

The question is how do we solve it. You can't legislate against opinion and bias... you can't, fully, legally enforce against social discrimination.

So yeah... it's extremely over-simplistic to look at the legal situation and say "problem solved, everyone IS equal now". There are some huge hurdles in the way - hurdles that are sociologically inevitable because we're only a generation or two removed from legal white male dominance - that mean functional inequality in the UK is still VERY real.

[Tom4784]

Two morons that lack the empathy to discuss issues that don't directly affect them properly.

[Kizzy]

There may be instances where they are paid different for the same job, look at the BBC where female 'anchors' are paid considerably less than males.
Look at traditional new right sociological perspectives they still expect women to stay home and churn out babies, as we remain firmly conservative in our politics that won't be challenged.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There may be instances where they are paid different for the same job, look at the BBC where female 'anchors' are paid considerably less than males.

The world of showbiz ain't the real world. Instances like that obviously aren't based on their sex, but how much airtime they have, and how many viewers their shows get.