[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We watched this on Friday and it made me saaad .

In terms of what made him do it, I have a STRONG suspicion that his girlfriend was lying when she said she had never indicated that him having a family was a problem. I don't think she was involved in any way, but I think he hid his circumstances from her for most of their relationship and then revealed that he actually wasn't separated etc. at the "weekend dinner" they had and she indicated that him having a family indeed was an issue and - for unfathomable reasons - that lead him down a path of "getting rid of the problem".

I might be totally wrong obviously but her reaction when they asked came off as defensive, understandably, as she would have been scared about being implicated more directly. So basically I don't at all think she said "get rid of your family" but perhaps did say that they couldn't be together because of his circumstances.

Quite possibly which there's nothing wrong with either, it is a lot to take on, an ex and kids etc. No sane person is going to think "better not say that in case he decides to slaughter the whole family" though

My own armchair psychology as well is telling me that he's a guy who gets totally obsessed with people and will go to great lengths to get them and that will override anything else in his life. From the bits Shanann had said about how they got together it sounded like he had to really pursue her hard at the start and she resisted the relationship for a while. Kind of Joe from You vibes

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just laughed at how the neighbour had him made in a second

[Babayaro.]

It's just totally bizarre that he thought the only solution was to murder his entire family + unborn child :/

Instead of, say, get a divorce

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

It's just totally bizarre that he thought the only solution was to murder his entire family + unborn child :/

Instead of, say, get a divorce

Its about total control and completion id imagine

[Babayaro.]

I agree with a previous post that mentioned how well made the documentary was. It was virtually all real life footage which was impressive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I agree with a previous post that mentioned how well made the documentary was. It was virtually all real life footage which was impressive.

most of the stuff was on youtube - i had watched most of it already. The TL had no clue about it so she was like F me this is mental

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I agree with a previous post that mentioned how well made the documentary was. It was virtually all real life footage which was impressive.

Yeah I actually thought it was fake at first

[Babayaro.]

Imagine what was going through his poor Father's head when he confessed to murder

[armand.kay]

I honestly can’t get those little girls out of my mind.

[AnnieK]

I was reading a little more about this case and came across this article. I know the DM is not the most popular of sites but it is recorded in other papers but, this is the most detailed showing just how premeditated and horrific these crimes were

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ed-family.html

Those poor babies

[Cherie]

I watched this last night, I remember the case, but didn’t follow it at the time

How dumb was he unenrolling the girls from school the morning he killed them and putting the house up for sale, I wondered why the police woman was so confident during the polygraph test, obviously they had that damning information

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I was reading a little more about this case and came across this article. I know the DM is not the most popular of sites but it is recorded in other papers but, this is the most detailed showing just how premeditated and horrific these crimes were

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ed-family.html

Those poor babies

This bit, ****ing hell what a monster, that was really difficult to read

Spoiler:

He then relived for Cadle, in appalling detail, how he killed his eldest daughter Bella after she had watched him murder and dispose of her sister. He spoke of his surprise that: 'Little quiet Bella had a will to live.'

'Out of all three, Bella is the only one that put up a fight. I will hear her soft little voice for the rest of my life, saying, 'Daddy, NO!!! She knew what I was doing to her. She may not have understood death, but she knew I was killing her.'

And the way he refers to them as his babies and calls Celeste "CeCe" he doesn't have that right anymore

[Ammi]

...ughhhh, you really so need to watch Dear Zachary, Niamh...as well as being on YouTube, it was on Netflix but I’m not sure if it’s still on there now though...but it brings a new meaning to ‘evil’...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...ughhhh, you really so need to watch Dear Zachary, Niamh...as well as being on YouTube, it was on Netflix but I’m not sure if it’s still on there now though...but it brings a new meaning to ‘evil’...

Spoiler:

ugh I have about 30 minutes left and I'm terrified she's going to kill Zachery

[UserSince2005]

So ****ing weird.
Murder cannot be justified but I could come to some sense of killing your wife in a fit of rage, but to drive your kiddies in the back of the car for an hour and then murder them is just so ****ed up.
Steroids do weird things to the brain.

For me the most interesting part of the documentary was watching the footage of his initial reaction to her disappearance.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

So ****ing weird.
Murder cannot be justified but I could come to some sense of killing your wife in a fit of rage, but to drive your kiddies in the back of the car for an hour and then murder them is just so ****ed up.
Steroids do weird things to the brain.

For me the most interesting part of the documentary was watching the footage of his initial reaction to her disappearance.

Yeah the neighbour had his number instantly

[Cherie]

How did he think he was going to sell the house while she was still a missing person?

He really came across as of very low intelligence

Killing them was all about releasing the assets which makes it even worse as that was going to take forever if they were never found

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How did he think he was going to sell the house while she was still a missing person?

He really came across as of very low intelligence

Killing them was all about releasing the assets which makes it even worse as that was going to take forever if they were never found

Yeah he was really stupid, firstly he was always going to be looked at most intensely by the Police because he's the husband, anyone who has ever watched TV or read a newspaper knows that, how did he think they wouldn't find out he'd un-rolled his daughter from school or tried to put the house on the market or that they wouldn't find out he'd been seeing someone else?

[Niamh.]

Also apparently there's inconsistencies with the girl friends story too, she says they'd only been seeing each other for a couple of months and that Chris was more into her than the other way round but apparently they found search history on her phone from a year previous googling both Chris and Shanann's names

[Ammi]

...the whole cast is weird, his girlfriend didn’t particularly appear to me to be stunned by it all...but maybe that’s just how it was edited...

...and also how he completely couldn’t be with Shanann at all or show her any affection, seemed weird as well...how completely he’d fallen out of love with her to the point that he couldn’t touch her...

[Ammi]

...it wasn’t like he loved two people at the same time, he just completely lost his love for Shanann...I mean, completely...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also apparently there's inconsistencies with the girl friends story too, she says they'd only been seeing each other for a couple of months and that Chris was more into her than the other way round but apparently they found search history on her phone from a year previous googling both Chris and Shanann's names

that sounds extremely odd, but yeah the seeing each other for two months thing does seem a bit unrealistic, he did say in that DM article that he would take the person's name who supplied him with the drug to try and abort the baby to his grave, maybe she gave it to him?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that sounds extremely odd, but yeah the seeing each other for two months thing does seem a bit unrealistic, he did say in that DM article that he would take the person's name who supplied him with the drug to try and abort the baby to his grave, maybe she gave it to him?

I'm watching a YouTube series called Unmasked about her with all the interviews and phone calls between her and investigating officer, she's sketchy as ****, definitely not telling the truth about what went on between herself and Chris

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm watching a YouTube series called Unmasked about her with all the interviews and phone calls between her and investigating officer, she's sketchy as ****, definitely not telling the truth about what went on between herself and Chris

I started watching that too shes definitely dodgy as hell

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I started watching that too shes definitely dodgy as hell

He isn’t the sharpest, she could be the brains behind it all