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Ammi · 09-11-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there are too many left for that to happen yet.

I think it was a tactical vote, which is fine, but it should be seen for what it is. She heard Noky getting huge cheers, so she thought, lets get rid of her before the final

…if it was a tactical vote from Yinrun…then she would have to have anticipated and calculated as it were…that for one, Noky would have to receive enough multiple votes to be up …and also that she would be unpopular enough with the public to be voted out…and Noky had huge crowd cheers less than a week ago…so that would all be some kind of crazy tactics…anyway, I do personally believe that Yinrun finds it difficult to vote and has been consistent with that…so whether it’s easier or harder to understand a nomination, I do believe it’s from her own heart and thoughts….

Garfie · 09-11-2023, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there are too many left for that to happen yet.

I think it was a tactical vote, which is fine, but it should be seen for what it is. She heard Noky getting huge cheers, so she thought, lets get rid of her before the final

I really don’t see her that way, and thought her reasons were justifiable, particularly as she is so close and loyal to Trish. And I don’t see Yinrun as some evil little schemer and, surely if she was, she would realise that the cheers suggest Noky wouldn’t be evicted, so it would be a wasted vote.

Ammi · 09-11-2023, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Garfie

I really don’t see her that way, and thought her reasons were justifiable, particularly as she is so close and loyal to Trish. And I don’t see Yinrun as some evil little schemer and, surely if she was, she would realise that the cheers suggest Noky wouldn’t be evicted, so it would be a wasted vote.

…that’s really why I can’t get the tactic thing at all or any forethought into it…surely Noky more at the height of her popularity and the most ‘pointless’ housemate to vote for in any tactical way…so far as the housemate must feel, I mean…because she’s stayed over what they felt were such potential winners../Paul and Dylan…so it wouldn’t only be pointless, it would feel almost self harming also…it would surely for me be no question of being a heart vote and consistent with Yinrun’s nominations in general through her time…

Cherie · 09-11-2023, 10:14 AM

Its funny because Matty can flit between the groups with ease and gets no flak for it

Noky is meant to stick like glue to Trish because she stood up for her, yet Chanelle is demonised for sticking with her friends, what is Noky meant to to I wonder

Garfie · 09-11-2023, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Its funny because Matty can flit between the groups with ease and gets no flak for it

Noky is meant to stick like glue to Trish because she stood up for her, yet Chanelle is demonised for sticking with her friends, what is Noky meant to to I wonder

I think the difference between Matty and Noky, is that he has been very open and true to his real character and values. He seems able to make connections with people from all walks of life, and has shown kindness and support to housemates on both sides throughout. He hasn’t wavered from that, and seems real.

Noky, on the other hand, seems much more distant and aloof. She doesn’t seem connected to anyone on a deeper level. And in contrast to Matty, she seemed to align herself to the garden group much more before the falling out with Paul, at which point she flipped to the other group,

We all have different values and morals, and I think both Jordan and Yinrun have justifiable views of Noky. It’s not a case of them necessarily disliking her, or expecting her to ‘stick like glue to Trish’ , but more a case of them recognising elements of Noky’s character that go against their core values.

In some ways it is much better and much more honest to vote according to your own views, values and feelings, rather than going with a group dynamic. It shows they are assessing each housemate as individuals, rather than on a group identity.

Atake25 · 09-11-2023, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Its funny because Matty can flit between the groups with ease and gets no flak for it

Noky is meant to stick like glue to Trish because she stood up for her, yet Chanelle is demonised for sticking with her friends, what is Noky meant to to I wonder

Matty chats with all of that group though Noki talks to Jordan Trish and seems to exclude Henry and Yinrun

Atake25 · 09-11-2023, 09:33 AM

She comes across as a bit boring on the live feed

bots · 09-11-2023, 10:37 AM

It's so hypocritical of Jordan when even his voice is fake

Vanessa · 09-11-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's so hypocritical of Jordan when even his voice is fake

He hasn't nominated Noki.

MTVN · 09-11-2023, 10:54 AM

Noky and Jordan actually seem quite friendly now that he's spent time with her and given her a chance which he didn't do in the first couple of weeks. I mentioned yesterday that him and Henry were quite cliquey at the start and Henry confirmed that for me with his nomination for Noky last night for daring to join 'their village'

Garfie · 09-11-2023, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Noky and Jordan actually seem quite friendly now that he's spent time with her and given her a chance which he didn't do in the first couple of weeks. I mentioned yesterday that him and Henry were quite cliquey at the start and Henry confirmed that for me with his nomination for Noky last night for daring to join 'their village'

But the truth is, MTVN, that you can be friendly with others - particularly when having to share a house with them for 6 weeks - without trusting them fully or liking every aspect of their character.
And Henry didn’t vote Noky for ‘daring to join their village’ - that’s far too simplistic- his vote was about the reasons behind her choice to do so, and for what that suggested about her.

MTVN · 09-11-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Garfie

But the truth is, MTVN, that you can be friendly with others - particularly when having to share a house with them for 6 weeks - without trusting them fully or liking every aspect of their character.
And Henry didn’t vote Noky for ‘daring to join their village’ - that’s far too simplistic- his vote was about the reasons behind her choice to do so, and for what that suggested about her.

But if he had a shred of awareness he'd appreciate that she mainly did so because she'd been subject to harassment from Paul and felt completely isolated, his comments suggest he was totally unempathetic to that fact.

I quite like Henry but I do think he's shown himself to be lacking in awareness for anyone but himself. The amount of times he's used Trish as an outlet for all his problems but has never showed her any support

Garfie · 09-11-2023, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

But if he had a shred of awareness he'd appreciate that she mainly did so because she'd been subject to harassment from Paul and felt completely isolated, his comments suggest he was totally unempathetic to that fact.

I quite like Henry but I do think he's shown himself to be lacking in awareness for anyone but himself. The amount of times he's used Trish as an outlet for all his problems but has never showed her any support

I can agree that Jordan can lack some empathy for others, but to his credit, he has said he’s seen a different side to Noky since she has spent more time with the group.

Henry, I just don’t perceive in the same way as you. From my perception, he has shown a lot of kindness, friendship and support to other housemates, and he seems to get along well with the majority.

MTVN · 09-11-2023, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Garfie

I can agree that Jordan can lack some empathy for others, but to his credit, he has said he’s seen a different side to Noky since she has spent more time with the group.

Henry, I just don’t perceive in the same way as you. From my perception, he has shown a lot of kindness, friendship and support to other housemates, and he seems to get along well with the majority.

Fair enough, I'd like to see more from Henry especially given how important Trish has been to him in there but it will be interesting how the next few highlights pan out

Ammi · 09-11-2023, 11:09 AM

…I think also, we see things from perspectives of different and varied associations of housemates…will we judge them more harshly or will we try to understand actions more etc…?…it’ll be the same for the housemates, which is why it’s not easy to relate one specific thing to another or one housemate’s actions with another…

rusticgal · 09-11-2023, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Noky and Jordan actually seem quite friendly now that he's spent time with her and given her a chance which he didn't do in the first couple of weeks. I mentioned yesterday that him and Henry were quite cliquey at the start and Henry confirmed that for me with his nomination for Noky last night for daring to join 'their village'

Henry never said that...his reason was very valid. Noky suddenly started spending all her time with the upstairs group to get away from Paul and then as soon as he left she went back to the garden group....

Garfie · 09-11-2023, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

Henry never said that...his reason was very valid. Noky suddenly started spending all her time with the upstairs group to get away from Paul and then as soon as he left she went back to the garden group....

Which made him feel they were being used.

MTVN · 09-11-2023, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

Henry never said that...his reason was very valid. Noky suddenly started spending all her time with the upstairs group to get away from Paul and then as soon as he left she went back to the garden group....

She still spends more time with the upstairs lot it seems to me but the groups have become more fluid now that Paul's gone. Henry spoke about their group as if it was a closed shop

GoldHeart · 09-11-2023, 07:21 PM

Matty drifts from group to group and never gets given a hard deal , so why does Noky get grief over it . Poor girl can't win

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Cherie · 09-11-2023, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Matty drifts from group to group and never gets given a hard deal , so why does Noky get grief over it . Poor girl can't win

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Nope she can’t

Benjamin · 09-11-2023, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Matty drifts from group to group and never gets given a hard deal , so why does Noky get grief over it . Poor girl can't win

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I think his personality is easier to get on with. Up until last week most people on here saw Noky as hard to read. She’s nice but she’s hard to read so it’s a reason people won’t fully trust her and nominate her.

Adamw92 · 09-11-2023, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

She still spends more time with the upstairs lot it seems to me but the groups have become more fluid now that Paul's gone. Henry spoke about their group as if it was a closed shop

This. You see her with different people almost every night, she doesn’t just stick with one side for “safety” or whatever, she’s just trying to be be friendly to everyone.