[Alf]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I agree, people are so quick to use the term racist and ‘cancel’ people however I am not discussing that as a whole, I’m discussing a particular situation where two people are similar in their confidence, bluntness, loudness and honesty and yet it’s the person who is black that is being labelled aggressive.

Im sorry if you feel as though im gaslighting you, I'm simply replying to your comments where you have said ‘moving on’ and ‘this should be the end of it but it won’t be’ in a clear attempt to stop the conversation.

Not on this forum it wasn't dear.

According to this forum. The aggressive ones were Paul and Olivia. And the Sun shone out of Trish's arse.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Im sorry if you feel as though im gaslighting you, I'm simply replying to your comments where you have said ‘moving on’ and ‘this should be the end of it but it won’t be’ in a clear attempt to stop the conversation.

I didn't 'feel 'it, you actively did that. The attempt to persuade me that I simply felt it is further gaslighting.

My comment there, which I see you have focused far too much on rather than addressing my other points, was me simply saying that it said it all.

I stand by that. If you feel differently, address that specific point, not my character.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I agree, sorry if i enabled the tangent, I was simply stating what I’m seeing and if anyone else is seeing the same thing.

On exclusive Chanelle & Trish are clearing the air ,I think it's more genuine on Trish's part ....but we shall see tomorrow I guess.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

On exclusive Chanelle & Trish are clearing the air ,I think it's more genuine on Trish's part ....but we shall see tomorrow I guess.

They will clear the air and then Chanelle and her gremlin gang will come after Trish again.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by vesavius

They will clear the air and then Chanelle and her gremlin gang will come after Trish again.

Exactly my thoughts , I find it suspicious that Chanelle ...is trying to make up with Trish . Especially before eviction.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Why do you not think so?

A better question is why DO you think so?

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by caprimint

A better question is why DO you think so?

I think so because there are two people who are similar in their confidence, bluntness, loudness and honesty and yet it’s the person who is black that is being labelled aggressive.

I want to be clear I do not think anyone in the house is a racist but I do feel as though there are some biases within the house

[jones89]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I think so because there are two people who are similar in their confidence, bluntness, loudness and honesty and yet it’s the person who is black that is being labelled aggressive.

I want to be clear I do not think anyone in the house is a racist but I do feel as though there are some biases within the house

The garden gang are a bunch of d1cks who say so much **** about everyone who ain’t their friend, they obviously ain’t gonna say that about Olivia

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I think so because there are two people who are similar in their confidence, bluntness, loudness and honesty and yet it’s the person who is black that is being labelled aggressive.

I want to be clear I do not think anyone in the house is a racist but I do feel as though there are some biases within the house

I see that you have chosen to now move on from me now that I have exposed your manner of engaging and that you simply cannot refute my points.

OK, I take that as a win.

BUT... " but I do feel as though there are some biases".. We all have biases, including clearly you, but they are not all implicitly racial biases.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I think so because there are two people who are similar in their confidence, bluntness, loudness and honesty and yet it’s the person who is black that is being labelled aggressive.

I want to be clear I do not think anyone in the house is a racist but I do feel as though there are some biases within the house

Do you mean Trish and Olivia? I think if anything it's the way in which Trish argues with people that triggered the "aggressive" comments (most of all with Paul though and how she labelled him), Olivia is loud in general but she isn't condescending towards people when she talks/argues, whereas Trish always believes she's right and never listens to anyone else, just repeats her point over and over again until they don't answer back...

[vesavius]

I love Trish BECAUSE she is aggressive in the way that she stands up for herself.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I see that you have chosen to now move on from me now that I have exposed your manner of engaging and that you simply cannot refute my points.

OK, I take that as a win.

BUT... " but I do feel as though there are some biases".. We all have biases, including clearly you, but they are not all implicitly racial biases.

I chose not to reply to you because you because I didn’t want you to think I was insulting your character when I don’t know you to insult your character lol and I wanted to keep the thread on the discussion instead of replies to each other back and fourth getting on each others tits when it’s not personal.

You can take it as a win, it doesn’t bother me

I believe they are racial biases, you don’t, I’ve given reasons as to why I think they are and you haven’t given any valid reasons in my opinion.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Do you mean Trish and Olivia? I think if anything it's the way in which Trish argues with people that triggered the "aggressive" comments (most of all with Paul though and how she labelled him), Olivia is loud in general but she isn't condescending towards people when she talks/argues, whereas Trish always believes she's right and never listens to anyone else, just repeats her point over and over again until they don't answer back...

I feel as though Olivia is condescending when talking to people, especially Yinrun, not so much recently though however

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I chose not to reply to you because you because I didn’t want you to think I was insulting your character

Well, just do that by not making it about me and sticking to the point.

But, AGAIN, I didn't 'think' that you were attacking my character.. You literally did. More gaslighting. You need to work on that.

Originally Posted by Conzors

I believe they are racial biases, you don’t, I’ve given reasons as to why I think they are and you haven’t given any valid reasons in my opinion.

You believe that because you see everything through a racial lens. Your worldview lacks nuance and wider understanding.

You haven't given any valid reasons to support your view. Just your biased perception.

(Yes, this is all me criticsing your character, seeing as you opened that door, but hopefully constructively)

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I feel as though Olivia is condescending when talking to people, especially Yinrun, not so much recently though however

Even Trish as her good friend is still more condescending towards Yinrun Last night in the bathroom was a really awkward watch. Olivia is just impulsive I think and she always apologises afterwards in pretty much every situation but Trish NEVER backs down. Trish is also 10 years older than her so...

But realistically there's no need for race to even be a discussion here, nobody has done/said anything racist so to imagine/assume that is racist in itself

[GlitterUK]

Trish herself hasn't said the race thing but it will interesting once she is out to see if she starts to say it.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well, just do that by not making it about me and sticking to the point.

But, AGAIN, I didn't 'think' that you were attacking my character.. You literally did. More gaslighting. You need to work on that.




You believe that because you see everything through a racial lens. Your worldview lacks nuance and wider understanding.

You haven't given any valid reasons to support your view. Just your biased perception.

(Yes, this is all me criticsing your character, seeing as you opened that door, but hopefully constructively)

I don’t see it as insulting my character, it’s a forum so questions and opinions are allowed. I don’t think I insulted yours I just asked why it made you uncomfortable talking about it.

Let’s stop conversing here we clearly got off on the wrong foot, let’s keep to the subject

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Even Trish as her good friend is still more condescending towards Yinrun Last night in the bathroom was a really awkward watch. Olivia is just impulsive I think and she always apologises afterwards in pretty much every situation but Trish NEVER backs down. Trish is also 10 years older than her so...

But realistically there's no need for race to even be a discussion here, nobody has done/said anything racist so to imagine/assume that is racist in itself

I agree with the Olivia thing, she does see where she does wrong and apologises, it’s a good trait she has.

I don’t think anyone is racist either, I just think it’s weird that one is labelled aggressive when I personally feel as though Olivia is more aggressive than Trish.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I agree with the Olivia thing, she does see where she does wrong and apologises, it’s a good trait she has.

I don’t think anyone is racist either, I just think it’s weird that one is labelled aggressive when I personally feel as though Olivia is more aggressive than Trish.

It is very weird I agree .

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I just asked why it made you uncomfortable talking about it.

As I have have said repeatedtly, it doesn't. This is gaslighting.

Originally Posted by Conzors

Let’s stop conversing here we clearly got off on the wrong foot, let’s keep to the subject

All you need to do is stop attempting to gaslight me.

But, ok, sure. But first, do you recognise your own bias?

[fitz2k2]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

Jordan put the aggressive, bully in her place.

Who has trish bullied? Im all ears

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The micro-aggressions are clear as day to me.

This

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by vesavius

As I have have said repeatedtly, it doesn't. This is gaslighting.



All you need to do is stop attempting to gaslight me.

But, ok, sure. But first, do you recognise your own bias?

I don't think gaslighting means what you think it means. You are using the term over and over to manipulate and shut down the conversation...which is basically gaslighting lol.

[Garfie]

I might be opening a whole other can of worms here, but I’ve always seen more of a social and/or intellectual divide, rather than a racial divide in the house. The upstairs crowd are a culturally mixed group of individuals, whose conversations seem to suggest they are knowledgeable, well-educated and more intellectual than the garden group. From their conversations, I would imagine the majority are university educated.

The garden group do not tend to have deep, intellectual conversations, and their backgrounds seem to be more typically working class.

To me, that is the reason why certain people have connected and why the two groups have formed. (And this comes from someone from a traditional working class background, who independently put themselves through a university education a little later than average).

[Atake25]

Trish can be aggressive in a confrontation The way she told Jordan not to say crap to Chanelle was aggressive, even though she said she didn’t mean it like that the tone and the pointing and the language was aggressive
The loud conversation about not talking to Chanelle was aggressive , I’ve heard her use a tone lots of times that can come across as aggressive
Noki has never been called aggressive because she isn’t She’s the opposite of aggressive
Both black skinned ladies one is aggressive and one is mild tempered
Trish just wanted to be aggressive but people be too afraid to challenge that or be called s racist
I used to love her but she uses the racist card too much