[vesavius]

It's his calmness.

Ali is used to having her ability to stay clinical and calm win arguments for her, clearly. Even if the other has a better more valid point, the winner will always be the one that manages to do so and everything that she says is a stone cold bullet intended to make the other angry and lose it.

But Khaled is some kind of zen master. I don't know how he does it, tbh.

He is far better at handling someone like Ali than me... I would have happily and loudly called her a ****ing bitch as she walked away from me like she did him, especially at his age

[Niamh.]

Yeah, you might be on to something, i wish I was like that

[GoldHeart]

No matter the tone or demeanor of Khaled he would still upset the red witch ,but you might have a point about it driving her nuts that he's so calm. So she's trying the tactic of " ohhh he's trying to be the nice guy " and blah blah.

But I guarantee if he raised his voice, actually got angry and confrontational , then she'd be calling him ' thug' , ' threatening ' & ' scary' . You know she'd be milking it more & pulling a Roxanne Pallet ,and ask BB to provide a safe space for her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is genuinely obsessed

Dean responds, “Hanah’s raging… because her two friends are up. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would not be happening.”

Ali says, “Should’ve just thrown them all to the wolves… Throw them all to me, I’m the wolf.”

Dean responds, “Yeah but, you’re [Hanah] making it a personal thing about, ‘oh cause they’re like my brothers’. Okay but they’re not.”

Ali says, “And I think maybe a little bit influenced by them to be honest.”

Dean says, “I massively think that cause she was fine yesterday.”

Ali continues, “A bit manipulated actually, so if she’s a pawn in anyone’s game, she’s a pawn in Khaled’s game cause she’s been manipulated to be on side.”

Dean says, “It’s a witch hunt Ali. It’s against you. They’re trying to take you down.” he simped

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

she is genuinely obsessed

Dean responds, “Hanah’s raging… because her two friends are up. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would not be happening.”

Ali says, “Should’ve just thrown them all to the wolves… Throw them all to me, I’m the wolf.”

Dean responds, “Yeah but, you’re [Hanah] making it a personal thing about, ‘oh cause they’re like my brothers’. Okay but they’re not.”

Ali says, “And I think maybe a little bit influenced by them to be honest.”

Dean says, “I massively think that cause she was fine yesterday.”

Ali continues, “A bit manipulated actually, so if she’s a pawn in anyone’s game, she’s a pawn in Khaled’s game cause she’s been manipulated to be on side.”

Dean says, “It’s a witch hunt Ali. It’s against you. They’re trying to take you down.” he simped

She cannot self-reflect. She's spent most of her time in the house trying to take Khaled down, but now it might be an issue he has decided to fight fire with fire?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

she is genuinely obsessed

Dean responds, “Hanah’s raging… because her two friends are up. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would not be happening.”

Ali says, “Should’ve just thrown them all to the wolves… Throw them all to me, I’m the wolf.”

Dean responds, “Yeah but, you’re [Hanah] making it a personal thing about, ‘oh cause they’re like my brothers’. Okay but they’re not.”

Ali says, “And I think maybe a little bit influenced by them to be honest.”

Dean says, “I massively think that cause she was fine yesterday.”

Ali continues, “A bit manipulated actually, so if she’s a pawn in anyone’s game, she’s a pawn in Khaled’s game cause she’s been manipulated to be on side.”

Dean says, “It’s a witch hunt Ali. It’s against you. They’re trying to take you down.” he simped

They're spot on. They are trying to take her down. They said that themselves.

The difference is that it's 3 against 1

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

They're spot on. They are trying to take her down. They said that themselves.

The difference is that it's 3 against 1

Of course they are - because she's doing the same to them. She tried using Hanah as a pawn to save Lily, and has been targetting Khaled from the off. There was going to come a moment when the confrontation was going to widen.

The irony is, if Khaled had phrased it "It's really difficult, isn't it?", or if Ali had just replied, "Yeah, it was really difficult", none of this would be happening. They did seem to be getting on better at the end of last week and it feels like it has blown up over something really minor.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

Of course they are - because she's doing the same to them. She tried using Hanah as a pawn to save Lily, and has been targetting Khaled from the off. There was going to come a moment when the confrontation was going to widen.

The irony is, if Khaled had phrased it "It's really difficult, isn't it?", or if Ali had just replied, "Yeah, it was really difficult", none of this would be happening. They did seem to be getting on better at the end of last week and it feels like it has blown up over something really minor.

Because everything Khaled says she likes to scrutinise into something big . red witch is the one turning it into one big argument .

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by vesavius

It's his calmness.

Ali is used to having her ability to stay clinical and calm win arguments for her, clearly. Even if the other has a better more valid point, the winner will always be the one that manages to do so and everything that she says is a stone cold bullet intended to make the other angry and lose it.

But Khaled is some kind of zen master. I don't know how he does it, tbh.

He is far better at handling someone like Ali than me... I would have happily and loudly called her a ****ing bitch as she walked away from me like she did him, especially at his age

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

She's ignorant & rude , she walked off and dismissed Khaled in mid conversation in the most patronising condescending way . If he did that to her ... she'd be so offended , the whole house wouldn't hear the end of it . Her passive aggressive nature is extremely ugly .

She causes all the drama & upset and then tries to play victim afterwards.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

She's ignorant & rude , she walked off and dismissed Khaled in mid conversation in the most patronising condescending way . If he did that to her ... she'd be so offended , the whole house wouldn't hear the end of it . Her passive aggressive nature is extremely ugly .

She causes all the drama & upset and then tries to play victim afterwards.

Do you know what passive aggressive behaviour is?

She had it out with him 1:1, what is passive about that? She was to the point.

Khaled likes to resolve things, sometimes things won't be resolved and that is OK

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

She's ignorant & rude , she walked off and dismissed Khaled in mid conversation in the most patronising condescending way . If he did that to her ... she'd be so offended , the whole house wouldn't hear the end of it . Her passive aggressive nature is extremely ugly .

She causes all the drama & upset and then tries to play victim afterwards.

Yep

sad to see her unravel in such a public way

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Yep

sad to see her unravel in such a public way

Pathetic


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Pathetic


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Its not pathetic but it is sad to see

Id imagine she entered the house thinking it would be a fun experience but it has turned out to be a nightmare for her

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Yep

sad to see her unravel in such a public way

Maybe BB should book her into a therapy class as the patient.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

This for me.
I agree.

He actually starts by saying a lot but then clams up after.
Seemingly having no comeback to what she says in the end.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This for me.
I agree.

He actually starts by saying a lot but then clams up after.
Seemingly having no comeback to what she says in the end.

A bit hard to have a comeback when she doesn't allow him to say much before walking away.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

A bit hard to have a comeback when she doesn't allow him to say much before walking away.

He doesn't even try after she's tied him up in knots.
Probably because he has no relevant answers.

I don't dislike Khaled but I've always felt something not right with him, hence him never being a favourite of mine.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

I think the problem is exactly that Ali does just say what she says and walks away, rather than allowing the other person to express their thoughts and feelings fully. This doesn’t, however, allow any room for discussion or reconciliation, and doesn’t allow the other person to feel heard.

If two people genuinely don’t like each other, it is better to accept that and walk away. In this case, Ali does give the impression that she really doesn’t like Khaled, whereas he seems to be perceiving the situation as a difference of opinion that he hopes to resolve. I don’t think he is coming from a place of dislike.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I think the problem is exactly that Ali does just say what she says and walks away, rather than allowing the other person to express their thoughts and feelings fully. This doesn’t, however, allow any room for discussion or reconciliation, and doesn’t allow the other person to feel heard.

If two people genuinely don’t like each other, it is better to accept that and walk away. In this case, Ali does give the impression that she really doesn’t like Khaled, whereas he seems to be perceiving the situation as a difference of opinion that he hopes to resolve. I don’t think he is coming from a place of dislike.

I don't think he is either, but he needs to have the emotional intelligence to stop badgering and move on. You can't make someone like you who doesn't. There doesn't even have to be a reason, some humans just don't like other humans based on vibes. It's human behaviour

[GoldHeart]

Wey I think Khaled knows now to stay well clear of psychopath. Emma was even advising him to leave it.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wey I think Khaled knows now to stay well clear of psychopath. Emma was even advising him to leave it.

Thanks for your educated diagnosis.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I don't think he is either, but he needs to have the emotional intelligence to stop badgering and move on. You can't make someone like you who doesn't. There doesn't even have to be a reason, some humans just don't like other humans based on vibes. It's human behaviour

All perceptions are different, I know, but I don’t see his need to discuss something as badgering, unless he does it numerous times. Personally, also see him as someone with pretty decent emotional intelligence.

I don’t feel that he is trying to make Ali like him. In fact, I believe he recognises that she doesn’t, and accepts that’s her prerogative. In the real world, it is easy to accept that and walk away. However, they are in a very closed environment with a relatively small number of people, and they cannot either avoid each other or escape. I think his intentions are to develop a sense of understanding and resolution between them so that they can live more calmly and peacefully within the BB house without awkwardness, discomfort or conflict. That would surely be better for them both, and for other housemates.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Garfie

All perceptions are different, I know, but I don’t see his need to discuss something as badgering, unless he does it numerous times. Personally, also see him as someone with pretty decent emotional intelligence.

I don’t feel that he is trying to make Ali like him. In fact, I believe he recognises that she doesn’t, and accepts that’s her prerogative. In the real world, it is easy to accept that and walk away. However, they are in a very closed environment with a relatively small number of people, and they cannot either avoid each other or escape. I think his intentions are to develop a sense of understanding and resolution between them so that they can live more calmly and peacefully within the BB house without awkwardness, discomfort or conflict. That would surely be better for them both, and for other housemates.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

See, that's the kind of bullshit self superior nonsense 'logic' people like Ali rely on to 'win'.

Swearing in no way invalidates an argument or valid point.

And deliberately trying to provoke someone into anger as an automatic 'win' button is a really toxic and weak personality trait.