[Maru]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I also wonder how many of those who judge Khaled so harshly have stopped to think about alternative explanations for his behaviour?

His early life experiences were in a country involved in conflict and he described growing up hearing bombings around him. As a young child, he must have been ultra-conscious of the dangers around him, alert to any sign of danger and fearful of how conflict could so easily escalate to a point of death and destruction. Therefore, it wouldn’t be unreasonable or irrational if he now feels the need to live with a sense of calm, stability and peace around him or why he has the urge to avoid confrontation and resolve conflict with others.

He's explained that he's had to move frequently after migrating and thus adapting/reintroducing himself to people over and over. So he's constantly facing reintegration. He said he finds that incredibly tiresome. So placing pins on his map early on of new people he's met in his life makes sense for doing basic navigation and I can see why that's a skill he's had to pick up for himself...

I think him and Ali are actually more similar than they realize and that results in a few problems for them...

Khaled has a strong sense of self and takes immense pride in his ability and capability of navigating complex social situations "properly". Ali is very much the same in that she's also constantly looking out for what other people's expectations of her will be and measuring herself up to those marks.

A serious negative... they both treat people and situations as challenges (ie puzzles) to solve. This can make for relationships with them maybe feeling too mechanical.

I can see the group growing really tired of it all with their constant nagging of themselves and others about what is going on in the heads of other HMs because of their gameplay style as Completionists in social situations. Because it's BB, this looks like it is influenced more by the game side, but I suspect this is actually just normal day-to-day for them

This house is different than past houses in some respects as there's big characters who hyper-fixate on the analysis of other people over and over with each new nugget of info. Add in the text group chat feels with the boys, the dressing room nature of the girl gossip (including Nathan & Dean) and it's like a social media version of Clue... "Who killed the bagel?"... etc

Both are bound to be nominated (again) soon. If I were in the same situation, I'd be really annoyed that they keep placing their own need to dig into other people's heads above others as it's probably overbearing for those who are just starting to figure out where they sit. I'm a viewer who loves a good analysis of house politics, but even I think it is getting tedious. Even for BB standards. One of them needs to pick up a grey rock for a friend and just learn to observe for a while without overanalyzing every single social cue... there's a point where it's just not that deep for me

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by Maru

He's explained that he's had to move frequently after migrating and thus adapting/reintroducing himself to people over and over. So he's constantly facing reintegration. He said he finds that incredibly tiresome. So placing pins on his map early on of new people he's met in his life makes sense for doing basic navigation and I can see why that's a skill he's had to pick up for himself...

I think him and Ali are actually more similar than they realize and that results in a few problems for them...

Khaled has a strong sense of self and takes immense pride in his ability and capability of navigating complex social situations "properly". Ali is very much the same in that she's also constantly looking out for what other people's expectations of her will be and measuring herself up to those marks.

A serious negative... they both treat people and situations as challenges (ie puzzles) to solve. This can make for relationships with them maybe feeling too mechanical.

I can see the group growing really tired of it all with their constant nagging of themselves and others about what is going on in the heads of other HMs because of their gameplay style as Completionists in social situations. Because it's BB, this looks like it is influenced more by the game side, but I suspect this is actually just normal day-to-day for them

This house is different than past houses in some respects as there's big characters who hyper-fixate on the analysis of other people over and over with each new nugget of info. Add in the text group chat feels with the boys, the dressing room nature of the girl gossip (including Nathan & Dean) and it's like a social media version of Clue... "Who killed the bagel?"... etc

Both are bound to be nominated (again) soon. If I were in the same situation, I'd be really annoyed that they keep placing their own need to dig into other people's heads above others as it's probably overbearing for those who are just starting to figure out where they sit. I'm a viewer who loves a good analysis of house politics, but even I think it is getting tedious. Even for BB standards. One of them needs to pick up a grey rock for a friend and just learn to observe for a while without overanalyzing every single social cue... there's a point where it's just not that deep for me

I can understand where you're coming from but Khaled's relationships with Hanah, Marcello and Segun do not strike me as mechanical. And I'd say the same for Ali towards Lily and perhaps Martha.

The annoying thing is it feels like Ali and Khaled had sorted out their issues, but one comment being taken the wrong way has blown everything up, aided by Dean's influence on the pairings.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

I can understand where you're coming from but Khaled's relationships with Hanah, Marcello and Segun do not strike me as mechanical. And I'd say the same for Ali towards Lily and perhaps Martha.

The annoying thing is it feels like Ali and Khaled had sorted out their issues, but one comment being taken the wrong way has blown everything up, aided by Dean's influence on the pairings.

Sure but that's only looking at those relationships that are being driven by the house atm. How close are they really? We don't know yet, Remember when some were suggesting Khaled was being "fake" (he likely wasn't) and everything felt forced. I think this was part of why. Khaled was helped by Ali's behavior in the longrun because it gave everyone an incentive to check through his exterior behavior for themselves and see if there was anything to that.

I wonder if Lily is going to have a rethink. I don't think she is completely happy with staying in a sidekick, "friend friend" role. Their relationship still seems shallow atm. Khaled I think risks pushing more people to nominate him if he doesn't relax, but it's a much smaller risk because he has multiple people around him to keep him in check. In retrospect, I can see where Izaaz may not have wanted to get too involved with that side of things regarding him, at least at first... after all they're still forced to live together. Martha is harder to examine but I think I agree with Nathan a bit that she is being a bit fake, but it could be fake it til you make it for all we know?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Maru

Sure but that's only looking at those relationships that are being driven by the house atm. How close are they really? We don't know yet, Remember when some were suggesting Khaled was being "fake" (he likely wasn't) and everything felt forced. I think this was part of why. Khaled was helped by Ali's behavior in the longrun because it gave everyone an incentive to check through his exterior behavior for themselves and see if there was anything to that.

I wonder if Lily is going to have a rethink. I don't think she is completely happy with staying in a sidekick, "friend friend" role. Their relationship still seems shallow atm. Khaled I think risks pushing more people to nominate him if he doesn't relax, but it's a much smaller risk because he has multiple people around him to keep him in check. In retrospect, I can see where Izaaz may not have wanted to get too involved with that side of things regarding him, at least at first... after all they're still forced to live together. Martha is harder to examine but I think I agree with Nathan a bit that she is being a bit fake, but it could be fake it til you make it for all we know?

Lily actually thinks Ali is her bestie, I still think Ali is manipulating her...and that friendship is the most unnatural one . And the way Ali laughs at every annoying or gross habit, especially in the lab task . When irl Ali would likely avoid someone like Lily .

It's funny how Lily doesn't rub her up the wrong way ,yet Khaled is a demon to her .

Izaaz seems to be counting the days till he either walks or gets evicted.

When it gets to a vote to win / save , if Martha survives...I will faint with shock . She is massively going under the radar. But atleast she's faced eviction,but she is putting on a forced jolly act ,I think she doesn't have much of a personality without the " it's giving" catchphrase .

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Lily actually thinks Ali is her bestie, I still think Ali is manipulating her.

Ali has 100% intentionally groomed Lily