[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's not really practical - although in principle I wouldn't be against the idea of meaningful consequences if a party entering power goes back on election pledges/does a complete 180 after getting into power (without being able to give clear reasons that they've done so, and that they couldn't have predicted before making the pledge).




Meh like I said give us all a nudge when it hits 10 million and they're verified to actually be from people in the UK. Until then it means nothing, other than that it's a well-advertised poll. It's not news that 2 million people want Labour out. More than 2 million people never wanted them in.

Near or over 4,000,000 voted only Reform in July so they're all, or near all, likely to sign this stupid nonsense of a petition.
Because most of them are probably beyond reason.
Only believing in democracy as long as they win.

Not one single party in parliament at present would want another general election I'd say.
Plus until Theresa May revoked it, the Coalition had put in place the fixed term parliament of NO general election held until the end of the 5 year terms.
It's really sad how little it seems that some of the people who do vote, seem to have little idea of democracy in the UK and even in our current electoral system.

[Crimson Dynamo]

🚨BREAKING: The petition calling for a General Election has now achieved 24%
of Labour’s entire vote share from July in less than 48 hours.


Labour will soon govern without a mandate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

🚨BREAKING: The petition calling for a General Election has now achieved 24%
of Labour’s entire vote share from July in less than 48 hours.


Labour will soon govern without a mandate.

"Govern without a mandate" from an informal poll that allows multiple votes and votes coming from anywhere in the world and has been spammed a cross social media.

I'll never understand some people's determination to make themselves look thick on here. Like on social media I get it... a big audience to buy into the dumb propaganda... but why do it on here . Who are you going to convince that isn't already hook, line and sinker for this garbage?

[James]

Saw this get shared a few times in the Nextdoor app and that doesn't usually have politics in it.

[arista]

No, it is Every 5 Years.

Why are some fools confused.

[Beso]

He looked really sweaty on this morning.

[Beso]

The tories didnt want to win.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

The tories didnt want to win.

That's what toddlers say when they lose at Snakes and Ladders, Parmy. "I didn't want to win anyway! "

Of course they wanted to win, they just knew early that they weren't going to, and so half-arsed the race.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's what toddlers say when they lose at Snakes and Ladders, Parmy. "I didn't want to win anyway! "

Of course they wanted to win, they just knew early that they weren't going to, and so half-arsed the race.

They saw the books and gave up (by half arseing the race)...ie, didnt want to win.

Even a toddler can see that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

They saw the books and gave up (by half arseing the race)...ie, didnt want to win.

Even a toddler can see that.

They "saw" the books? Their own books? This as a supposition is very optimistic about how the Tories must view Labour, Parmy... because the only way this can be true, is if they believe that Labour will have to take the fall for the bad books (probable) but also relies on them then fixing the books in order for the Tories to re-enter power and take credit. That's the way that cycle works. If they thought the books were unfixable they'd have tried to hold onto power regardless for as long as possible.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

They "saw" the books? Their own books? This as a supposition is very optimistic about how the Tories must view Labour, Parmy... because the only way this can be true, is if they believe that Labour will have to take the fall for the bad books (probable) but also relies on them then fixing the books in order for the Tories to re-enter power and take credit. That's the way that cycle works. If they thought the books were unfixable they'd have tried to hold onto power regardless for as long as possible.

I would venture to say that what they saw isnt achievable to come back from. So they stood down knowing labour would blame them at the beginning of their term, but by the end of it(the important months) they public would blame labour for failing to right things, and also remember the necessary bad things at the begining that were only in place to right things.

I would say thw Tories know getting the ship steadied in that space of time is unachievable by then, yet perhaps achievable the following 5 years, after gains have been made the previous 5.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Beso

They saw the books and gave up (by half arseing the race)...ie, didnt want to win.

Even a toddler can see that.

I don't even live there and it all sounds a mess. Nothing I would want to touch lol

Holding frequent elections undermines the impact of them, so can't say I would sign a petition for it. What circumstances have changed to warrant it outside it just being Labour, etc?

Yes online petitions are easier to game but they have a purpose I suppose...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't even live there and it all sounds a mess. Nothing I would want to touch lol

Holding frequent elections undermines the impact of them, so can't say I would sign a petition for it. What circumstances have changed to warrant it outside it just being Labour, etc?

Yes online petitions are easier to game but they have a purpose I suppose...

the only purpose it serves is to raise a discussion point in parliament, and even then, the government sets the priorities for debates, so it is likely to happen at the close of play next to a weekend when most people have already gone home

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't even live there and it all sounds a mess. Nothing I would want to touch lol

Holding frequent elections undermines the impact of them, so can't say I would sign a petition for it. What circumstances have changed to warrant it outside it just being Labour, etc?

Yes online petitions are easier to game but they have a purpose I suppose...

The petition is pointless.

It's simply labour's turn to be shite for 4 or more years, that's just how it is accepted in the UK.

[bots]

Labour hadn't been in power for a long, long time. They are drunk on power now. That's why they are behaving the way they are. It's not a good look, but they have the majority to do what they want. Everybody knew what labour would do if they won, but they still voted for them. Everyone knows what Trump will do, but they still voted for him. When the public want a change, they don't think clearly.

The tories were trounced after winning WW2, this isn't a new phenomena

[bots]

Didn't labour win the election with 30% ish of the vote? Doesn't that mean you would expect 70% of uk voters to vote for the petition before it even eats in to labour's voting pool?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

Didn't labour win the election with 30% ish of the vote? Doesn't that mean you would expect 70% of uk voters to vote for the petition before it even eats in to labour's voting pool?

They got around 35%. the Conservatives got around 24%, Reform got around 14%, LibDems got around 12%.

You are right however which is why this petition is stark raving bonkers.

[joeysteele]

They'll always have a mandate because no one can say any of the signatories with however multiple accounts each may have signed are from Labour voters.
We already know as in near all general elections of the last 50+ years.
A vast majority always voted against the winning Party

The mandate to govern came from the £9.5 million + who voted for Labour, NOT from who voted for other Parties.
This petition is ridiculous, it shouldn't be and IS NOT anything that could be seen as in any way newsworthy.

[MTVN]

Remainers went mad when their anti-Brexit petition went viral like this tbf but that was also pretty dumb

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Remainers went mad when their anti-Brexit petition went viral like this tbf but that was also pretty dumb

Exactly just suggest "shall we do another poll on Brexit?" on the same groups that are spamming this nonsense, and all of a sudden it'll be "Erm no that's not how democracy works that was the result of the vote and must be accepted even if a new vote would go differently". The extra irony being that the reasoning is exactly the same - that pro-Brexit campaigned dishonestly.

It's sort of hilarious to see people currently pretending that governments voted into power "not doing exactly what they said before the vote" is some sort of new phenomenon and invalidates the entire vote... as though it's not been the case with every single government ever elected .

Swear to god the only difference - ONLY difference - is the dramatic uptick in the number of uneducated or just plain thick, gullible, politically unaware NPC's being given a massive voice by Social Media. That's all that's behind this. Millions of mouth-breathers mindlessly scrolling algorithmic political content and getting off on the outrage.

[edit to add] And just wait for the excuses when Trump doesn't fulfil all of his campaign promises (or even attempt to do so). The list of mitigating reasons will be endless, and 99% of them will no doubt be Joe Biden or some other Blue's fault .

[Crimson Dynamo]

��BREAKING: Petition for a General Election has just smashed 2.5 million signatures in
just over 48 hours.

[Cherie]

Is there any sign of anyone from government visiting the flood hit areas in the UK, thought Starmer loved a trip

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is there any sign of anyone from government visiting the flood hit areas in the UK, thought Starmer loved a trip

Good point, I remember previous PMs getting a very hard time for not doing exactly that

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is there any sign of anyone from government visiting the flood hit areas in the UK, thought Starmer loved a trip

The government is more interested in giving money to other countries for climate change than caring for their own citizens

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

The government is more interested in giving money to other countries for climate change than caring for their own citizens

and is it 3 billion a year to Ukraine?