[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

I know that..but this bloke is getting a hell if a lot of stick for doing just that by the LGBTQ community, both on here and outside of here.


A paragraph from the initial story.

He said in a video shared last week on the bar’s Instagram account that he had reached out to a number of corporations who have donated to LGBTQ Pride celebrations over the years to ask if they would support the event, and they told him they typically only donate to registered nonprofits. As a result, he said, he created the nonprofit Heterosexual Awesomeness Inc., which will host the festival, though he hasn’t heard back from any major donors yet.

Perhaps the uproar people have created is stopping his funding...

The guy is getting stick because his intentions are poor.

If you create an event as a way to create further division, and not in good faith but out of spite and as a reaction, do not expect many corporations to step up and fund it. He isn't owed ****. More than that, funding any kind of social 'movement' is a marketing strategy and it's about return on investment - perhaps they understand an event like this won't really gain any traction because it isn't actually necessary. Every day people are celebrating heterosexuality. Nobody is being truly persecuted anywhere in the world for being straight and so who would sponsor an event that is effectively redundant and pointless. It's poor business. And on a purely superficial level, who would sponsor an event with a name Hetero Awesome Fest

However, I was actually talking about Women's History Month and the (fake) outrage levelled at lack of attention to it.

Or am I assuming those outraged at it receiving so little attention, while Pride receives lots, have worked tirelessly in campaigning to bring attention to it, obtain funding, create parades and fundraisers and have been blocked at every corner? (even though they didn't know it existed until pointed out to them on a Big Brother forum because they don't actually care and aren't actually bothered about Women's History Month they were just using it as a stick to beat pride with lmao). A very cliched and transparent tactic.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The guy is getting stick because his intentions are poor.

If you create an event as a way to create further division, and not in good faith but out of spite and as a reaction, do not expect many corporations to step up and fund it. He isn't owed ****. More than that, funding any kind of social 'movement' is a marketing strategy and it's about return on investment - perhaps they understand an event like this won't really gain any traction because it isn't actually necessary. Every day people are celebrating heterosexuality. Nobody is being truly persecuted anywhere in the world for being straight and so who would sponsor an event that is effectively redundant and pointless. It's poor business. And on a purely superficial level, who would sponsor an event with a name Hetero Awesome Fest

However, I was actually talking about Women's History Month and the (fake) outrage levelled at lack of attention to it.

Or am I assuming those outraged at it receiving so little attention, while Pride receives lots, have worked tirelessly in campaigning to bring attention to it, obtain funding, create parades and fundraisers and have been blocked at every corner? (even though they didn't know it existed until pointed out to them on a Big Brother forum because they don't actually care and aren't actually bothered about Women's History Month they were just using it as a stick to beat pride with lmao). A very cliched and transparent tactic.

Just that top part...
If you create an event as a way to create further division, and not in good faith but out of spite and as a reaction, do not expect many corporations to step up and fund it.


You are making assumptions, which in turn creates division when you air it in public. Your head is to far up your own arse for you to realise that.


The 2nd part about women's MONTH.. it's basically for schools. Women's day is the celebration. The same celebration that people with their heads to far up their own arses as well use to widen any divide that already existed by heckling and abusing women celebraring their womanhood.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Just that top part...
You are making assumptions, which in turn creates division when you air it in public. Your head is to far up your own arse for you to realise that.

He has specifically stated himself he launched it to coincide with Pride month because he is against homosexuality. I'm not making assumptions.

[user104658]

Do you fancy quoting a post to go with that, Parmy? I'll assume you can quote 52 from the last year. But I'll settle for one. Watching random people that is; not interacting with people, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you understand what the difference is.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Do you fancy quoting a post to go with that, Parmy? I'll assume you can quote 52 from the last year. But I'll settle for one. Watching random people that is; not interacting with people, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you understand what the difference is.

Oh I can't be bothered with all that, but you do go on about their appearance a lot.

You made me shiver there, thinking about checking your posts. Clicking them hoping to find something, imagine having to sort through all that gumpf.

[Livia]

No one was eyeballing young girls, only in your head, toy soldier boy. You're doing your best to bait and you're failing. Maybe try a different hobby. Maybe read a book or something.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one was eyeballing young girls, only in your head, toy soldier boy.

"Deny deny deny"

Originally Posted by Zizu

We were shopping in Tesco the other day and saw two young women ( obviously a couple) walking around holding hands and occasionally whispering in each other’s ears.

We walked past each other a few times up and down the isles and they were a few places in front of us at the queue .. now the one thing that was clearly noticeable was one of them was kinda ‘edgy’ and definitely more confident than the other and was actively seeking eye contact with anyone they walked past or who walked past them ..

I got the definite feeling that she was ready to ‘ go at it’ or to shout “what are you looking at ?"

[BBXX]

You're welcome for all that BBC content you were sure didn't exist, Livia. x

[Livia]

It's not that I don't care about women's issues, I just don't think that everyone needs a month to wave their flags. There are only twelve months in a year, after all, how are all the aggrieved going to be fitted in? And maybe I missed Women's Month because it wasn't pushed down all our throats. There were no flags up in my bank, there was for Pride month. There wasn't a general jumping on the bandwagon by businesses wanting to show their support for DEI (as far as that goes...), The BBC programmes are all well and good if you watch programmes created by an organisation who think women can have penises and who create shortlists that exclude people, regardless of their qualifications. The BBC can;t put together a VE day tribute without depicting a 40s family that was comprised of black and other ethnic people. Seriously, who would turn to them for information?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's not that I don't care about women's issues, I just don't think that everyone needs a month to wave their flags. There are only twelve months in a year, after all, how are all the aggrieved going to be fitted in? And maybe I missed Women's Month because it wasn't pushed down all our throats. There were no flags up in my bank, there was for Pride month. There wasn't a general jumping on the bandwagon by businesses wanting to show their support for DEI (as far as that goes...)

I think maybe the point I'm making is none of what pride is now (and it is very different and not always good I will admit) just magicked out of nowhere. It's grown over decades because LGBT people made sure it did. The riots started from LGBT people, a gay man created the pride flag, LGBT people set up charities which in turn created fundraisers, etc etc... so on so forth. If you want to see flags up for Women's Month, create a flag. Go to local shops and explain your cause, create what you want to see. If you don't, don't whine about not seeing it.

The industry I do some of my work in is heavily male dominated and so one year on International Woman's Day, I did a profile piece on many women in the industry by creating a piece of content to shine a light on women in a field so populated by men. The content was well received and appreciated and it was a piece of work I did because I thought it was important to highlight and appreciate these amazing women doing great work, and it wasn't really something I saw much of. You create what you want to see in the hope it inspires other to follow suit, build momentum and form into something significant.

[Beso]

Are LGBTQ saying nobody else can do anything in June?


Even if there isn't a pride event going on, people still don't have a right to celebrate things in June cause that's been reserved for LGBTQ..


Is that really what's happening here?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Are LGBTQ saying nobody else can do anything in June?


Even if there isn't a pride event going on, people still don't have a right to celebrate things in June cause that's been reserved for LGBTQ..


Is that really what's happening here?

lol no. Anyone can do what they want. But if you create Y in response to X because you disagree with X in the same month as X is happening prepare to be met with people questioning your intentions

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I think maybe the point I'm making is none of what pride is now (and it is very different and not always good I will admit) just magicked out of nowhere. It's grown over decades because LGBT people made sure it did. The riots started from LGBT people, a gay man created the pride flag, LGBT people set up charities which in turn created fundraisers, etc etc... so on so forth. If you want to see flags up for Women's Month, create a flag. Go to local shops and explain your cause, create what you want to see. If you don't, don't whine about not seeing it.

The industry I do some of my work in is heavily male dominated and so one year on International Woman's Day, I did a profile piece on many women in the industry by creating a piece of content to shine a light on women in a field so populated by men. The content was well received and appreciated and it was a piece of work I did because I thought it was important to highlight and appreciate these amazing women doing great work, and it wasn't really something I saw much of. You create what you want to see in the hope it inspires other to follow suit, build momentum and form into something significant.

Women do great work?

[BBXX]

I don't think people watching is weird, I think watching the same specific person as you go round the shop is odd, and then making up stories about how she was looking for a fight because she seemed 'edgy' and then using her as an example in reply to a post I made weird... yeah, I find that weird.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don't think people watching is weird, I think watching the same specific person as you go round the shop is odd, and then making up stories about how she was looking for a fight because she seemed 'edgy' and then using her as an example in reply to a post I made weird... yeah, I find that weird.

We walked in the supermarket together and of course walked past each other at least 5 times .. it’s also hard to miss someone who stood out due to her somewhat erratic ( attention seeking ?) behaviour …

These types of conversations never go anywhere as you are too blinkered and don’t even read the relevant posts

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We walked in the supermarket together and of course walked past each other at least 5 times .. it’s also hard to miss someone who stood out due to her somewhat erratic ( attention seeking ?) behaviour …

These types of conversations never go anywhere as you are too blinkered and don’t even read the relevant posts

Look, I took issue with you saying to me "Why are you so angry, so ready to fight" and then directly retelling a story about an angry lesbian, and then ending it with: Why not just be yourself why go looking for something that probably isn’t there...

You still haven't answered why you chose an 'angry lesbian' as the subject of your story. It's my belief you were trying to angle your post to suggest gay people look for offence when it's not there.

Maybe you were not, but it's just interesting to me why you chose another LGBT person to illustrate the idea of 'looking for a fight' when statistically its straight men who turn to violence more than any other demographic. I fail to believe you've never seen an angry straight guy to use as your example.

[Livia]

Run everything past the LGBTQ+ people in future, make sure it doesn't make them mad and start telling people their head is up their ass.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Run everything past the LGBTQ+ people in future, make sure it doesn't make them mad and start telling people their head is up their ass.

As has been thoroughly discussed, we all know that the INTENT is to "make them mad" (though in this case I imagine it gets more of a "sigh and an eye roll" than actually making anyone mad, because it's painfully juvenile).

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

As has been thoroughly discussed, we all know that the INTENT is to "make them mad" (though in this case I imagine it gets more of a "sigh and an eye roll" than actually making anyone mad, because it's painfully juvenile).

There must be videos of last year's event somewhere on YouTube.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Run everything past the LGBTQ+ people in future, make sure it doesn't make them mad and start telling people their head is up their ass.

It was Beso who threw the first 'head up ass' comment Livia, I was simply returning the favour

[Liam-]

It’s really funny how the longer these ‘everyone should just be equal!’ people, especially when it comes to minorities being treated well, the more they just expose themselves as hateful people who don’t want minorities to be treated as well as everybody else, the anger towards pride month is so nonsensical and just outright ignorant.

If you want to celebrate heterosexuality, go ahead, lgbt people really couldn’t care less, were used to these types of people hating us, but just be honest about it and don’t try to pretend it’s about something it’s very clearly not, you don’t like lgbt people or the attention and support they get, that’s it

[Livia]

I've been to Pride events in the past. I would not take my kids, I don't think what I saw would be appropriate for young kids. So, and in line with BBXX's advice, I know what to expect and will stay away. Pity people can't have the same attitude with this straight pride event.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been to Pride events in the past. I would not take my kids, I don't think what I saw would be appropriate for young kids. So, and in line with BBXX's advice, I know what to expect and will stay away. Pity people can't have the same attitude with this straight pride event.

I agree with this, grown men in thongs and gimp masks are not the kind of thing kids should be around. But because I have seen this multiple times I know not to take kids to it. I think sometimes people do expect it to be family friendly tho and take kids without knowing what will be there. I genuinely do not understand why playing out kinks in public has anything to do with lgbt pride..

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this, grown men in thongs and gimp masks are not the kind of thing kids should be around. But because I have seen this multiple times I know not to take kids to it. I think sometimes people do expect it to be family friendly tho and take kids without knowing what will be there. I genuinely do not understand why playing out kinks in public has anything to do with lgbt pride..

It's a very complex subject - 'Kink culture' has always been part of the LGBT community and has been part of Pride since it's inception, and hiding it away at an event meant to shine a light on the community feels counter productive.

While I think Pride Parades are a great opportunity for families to enjoy and support and for gay kids to feel part of something, that's just my personal opinion, and as a result I would feel it best it be all-age-appropriate.

However, it's important to remember Pride started as a riot and a protest and for most of history has been just that - it's never been a family-friendly event up until more recently, and there is a complexity in 'toning down' the reality of the event to suit a heteronormative society...

Here is a good article on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/kink...history-2021-6

I guess a perfect balance would be to have some family friendly acts/activities early on during a pride festival, and then the pride parade be for adults only.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's a very complex subject - 'Kink culture' has always been part of the LGBT community and has been part of Pride since it's inception, and hiding it away at an event meant to shine a light on the community feels counter productive.

While I think Pride Parades are a great opportunity for families to enjoy and support and for gay kids to feel part of something, that's just my personal opinion, and as a result I would feel it best it be all-age-appropriate.

However, it's important to remember Pride started as a riot and a protest and for most of history has been just that - it's never been a family-friendly event up until more recently, and there is a complexity in 'toning down' the reality of the event to suit a heteronormative society...

Here is a good article on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/kink...history-2021-6

I guess a perfect balance would be to have some family friendly acts/activities early on during a pride festival, and then the pride parade be for adults only.

…yeah, I know that it’s not something that came about as a family friendly event but because things do evolve and because it is such a celebration and it is promoted by many retailers etc…it would be nice if all organisers and councils etc could get together and blend a celebration that was felt to be inclusive to all as you say…