[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Did you know Angus,Michael Howard wanted Jamess' killers to get at least 15 years then it was taken to the court of European Rights and Jack Straw agreed to drop the sentence to 8 years as it was said they were tried unfairly!!!!One was sent to Barton Moss secure centre the other somewhere else.They are NOT being monitored properly as one of the conditions of them being set free was to never set foot in Liverpool again,and Thompson clearly has as he was seen,one day I hope their luck runs out,they say the devil looks after his own,he is certainly looking after them,but i believe in karma ,so I can wait!

Thompson has a four year old child of his own with an ex girlfriend who still has no idea he was a child killer. Jesus, if that isn't obscene, I don't know what is. As I've already said Human Rights legislation must be scrapped because it is being exploited by lowlife scum who have no business invoking THEIR human rights when they have deprived others of their human right to LIVE.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

She will be out in a couple of years with everything she needs,new house,car and identity,makes a sane person mad!!

It does make you mad and rightly so. These are massive injustices not justice being duly done. Little wonder people get so angry, financial crimes get longer prison sentences than these wicked people do.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Thompson has a four year old child of his own with an ex girlfriend who still has no idea he was a child killer. Jesus, if that isn't obscene, I don't know what is. As I've already said Human Rights legislation must be scrapped because it is being exploited by lowlife scum who have no business invoking THEIR human rights when they have deprived others of their human right to LIVE.

I argued this point with someone,that the mother of that child SHOULD have been told who he was AND the girls family,it could be any of our friends or neighbours,where are OUR rights to know where these deviants live,the government of the time have basically LIED to all these people,but then again the system is good at that!!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I argued this point with someone,that the mother of that child SHOULD have been told who he was AND the girls family,it could be any of our friends or neighbours,where are OUR rights to know where these deviants live,the government of the time have basically LIED to all these people,but then again the system is good at that!!

I didn't agree with them being released at all,but since they were I think the very least that was done should have been to slap in conditions of firstly having no solo contact with any minor and also to never have children either.

[Kazanne]

For the person who asked me if i could back my post up about robbers getting longer jail; sentences than murderers,here is just a snippet of ONE such example,you can read the whole thing by clicking the link.

All six gang members were convicted of conspiracy to rob.

Michael Carroll was sentenced to 18 years; Ian McDonald, 32, Thomas Carrigan, 30, Robert Harper, 27, and Healy's brother James, 27, were all given 16-year sentences.

Carrigan's and Harper's sentences will run concurrently to 17-year terms imposed on them at Norwich in May for two bank robberies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1460406.html

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't agree with them being released at all,but since they were I think the very least that was done should have been to slap in conditions of firstly having no solo contact with any minor and also to never have children either.

I would have gone further and sterilised them before release.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

I would have gone further and sterilised them before release.

Definately,I couldn't agree more.

[joeysteele]

That would likely be not allowed under the human rights thing again though, It is time that was done away with.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

For the person who asked me if i could back my post up about robbers getting longer jail; sentences than murderers,here is just a snippet of ONE such example,you can read the whole thing by clicking the link.

All six gang members were convicted of conspiracy to rob.

Michael Carroll was sentenced to 18 years; Ian McDonald, 32, Thomas Carrigan, 30, Robert Harper, 27, and Healy's brother James, 27, were all given 16-year sentences.

Carrigan's and Harper's sentences will run concurrently to 17-year terms imposed on them at Norwich in May for two bank robberies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1460406.html

Excellent example kazanne.

[setanta]

Eh, what the hell happened there?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That would likely be not allowed under the human rights thing again though, It is time that was done away with.

I think it's obscene that a killer of someone else's child is free to have his own, but what is even worse is that the woman he impregnated was denied her right to make an informed choice of who she wanted to father it. In effect she was deceived with the collusion of the authorities who gave Thompson his new identity thereby denying HER the chance to decide for herself if this was the sort of person she wanted to be with, let alone as a father and role model for her child.

This is what I meant about the legislation being unworkable since it will always involve placing one person's rights above another's.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excellent example kazanne.

Yes, crimes involving money and property have always attracted disproportionate sentences compared to crimes against the person, in particular murder and rape. That just goes to show the value placed on human life.
What about some of the pathetic sentences handed down to drunk drivers who kill? Sometimes a couple of years and a driving ban - it's an absolute joke.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yes, crimes involving money and property have always attracted disproportionate sentences compared to crimes against the person, in particular murder and rape. That just goes to show the value placed on human life.
What about some of the pathetic sentences handed down to drunk drivers who kill? Sometimes a couple of years and a driving ban - it's an absolute joke.

Oh, and that's a whole new issue,the drink driving farce that is supposed to be justice,as you say, a total disgrace. plus again the excuse that although its wrong,the death or serious innjury would not have happened had the driver not been drinking, that otherwise he/she was a responsible and good member of society hence some greater leniency.
Responsible !! they still drank and still drove knowing they should not.

Just as with child abusers, most 'seem' reponsible and good members of society until they are caught and then we get the mental health issues after that, oddly enough rarely before they are caught though.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh, and that's a whole new issue,the drink driving farce that is supposed to be justice,as you say, a total disgrace. plus again the excuse that although its wrong,the death or serious innjury would not have happened had the driver not been drinking, that otherwise he/she was a responsible and good member of society hence some greater leniency.
Responsible !! they still drank and still drove knowing they should not.

Just as with child abusers, most 'seem' reponsible and good members of society until they are caught and then we get the mental health issues after that, oddly enough rarely before they are caught though.

A car is a lethal weapon in the wrong hands and i agree some of the sentences handed down to some of the morons is pathetic,they seem to think it was 'the car' that was at fault NOT the driver!!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Niam,38 people COULD have helped save James that day,but didn't want to 'interfere' ,from lorry drivers to passers by,they are called The Liverpool 38,one woman even saw them and James in distress and unbelievably "Drew her curtains"a lorry driver saw them give him a "persuading" kick and NO ONE did anything.

It's called the Bystander Effect. People just [generally] don't want to be the one to 'speak out'. It's sad but it's true...

[joeysteele]

I have to admit, I don't make an moves to get involved in arguments of any physical engages in the streets as to adults.

I hate to see children being treated badly though and I guess had these been adults with poor young James then maybe something may have been done by others. Because they were also children (but older),maybe some people put it down to bigger Brothers mad at having to have their younger brother along.

With hindsight, its easy to say what should have been done,what others should have done,the bystander effect as has been said here,is becoming the norm in society now.
However,I if I saw or thought a child was in distress I would have to at least ring Police or alert them to what may be a harmless activity but also maybe could not, but be as it was with James, a very serious matter indeed.
I would make no apolgies for that, and if it turned out to be a waste of time for the Police, then thank all powers that be that was the case, but better safe than sorry afterwards. It is too late for James but it is a disgrace that lessons have not been learned even yet,so that still children are still in great danger from those that should be their protectors.The rest of a decent society.

The saddest thing of all is, even now still too,is that some try to make excuses for the abusers and murderers,which in light of the James Bulger case alone is beyond belief as to the realms of any decency.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

A car is a lethal weapon in the wrong hands and i agree some of the sentences handed down to some of the morons is pathetic,they seem to think it was 'the car' that was at fault NOT the driver!!

True, and the excuses are ,they just stepped out,but then after that statement the drunken driver from their selective memory cannot recall anythnig else as to the incident.
Or, its the car went out of control,I couldn't avoid hitting them.
Never simply the fact, its their(the driver's) fault they drank too much ,they drove the car.