[iRyan]

What a headache this thread has become

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That's really uncalled for imo....no need to rubbish people's opinions or vieWS on a subject..the man has been found not guilty after all. ..really not nice at all.

Thankyou Parmy, I'm used to it now,I know my opinions are strong but that's how I feel just like people opinions are strong the other way. I will never agree to anything I don't believe in just to appease people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by iRyan

What a headache this thread has become

why what did you want a thread about child rape to be about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

tbf on such a subject i think the thread has been pretty well balanced

bearing in mind we have opinions by members so opposed that normally agree?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Thankyou Parmy, I'm used to it now,I know my opinions are strong but that's how I feel just like people opinions are strong the other way. I will never agree to anything I don't believe in just to appease people.

Absolutely right Kazanne.
Sorry you are getting a chewy reaction at times.

One thing seems evident.
There's a fair amount more passion being shown here on this thread about that documentary, than came from the actual people on said documentary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right Kazanne.
Sorry you are getting a chewy reaction at times.

One thing seems evident.
There's a fair amount more passion being shown here on this thread about that documentary, than came from the actual people on said documentary.

Joey what type of passion do you want men to show who have been anally raped as children?

[Beso]

I'm drunk..but try and read it.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not talking about Kaz, parm .

I kinda knew that, but you quoted a post with Kaz in it...like before in the thread .That's all pal...I just want everyone to get along in this thread.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That's really uncalled for imo....no need to rubbish people's opinions or vieWS on a subject..the man has been found not guilty after all. ..really not nice at all.

Oh fgs it was a joke and I wasn't discussing other members I was actually talking to her

[AnnieK]

I will never agree with a 30 odd year old man sleeping in the same room as pre pubescent boys and it being justified as because he was naive or had a bad childhood. He has ruined multiple lives, whether he laid a finger on them or not. They were children, not playthings

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Joey what type of passion do you want men to show who have been anally raped as children?

What I've seen from those who have.
Some facial expression that indicates new or mixed emotion.

Anger, even at themselves for what happened.
Regret and filling up for not feeling able to trust any other person.

Dismay and disappointment in now realising what they say had taken place.

Sighs of relief they were now able to get all out in the open, even tears of joy they were able to.

Not just sit there as if they were reading a shopping list or a fairy story.

If all happened as they say, their emotions would be strong and mixed.
With a strong passion too in making the stronger points to show how much this would have, affected their lives.

There was nothing I saw at all, in the whole 2 nights of around 3 and a half hours to demonstrate even the slightest hint of emotion from them.
Sorry LT, you clearly believe they told the truth.
That is your position and I respect that.

This is a serious issue they raise but the time they've done it, means a contradiction and fight against their allegations, from Jackson can't be done.

I'm offsetting that of his past investigation,charges and trial.
Then watching both parts of this documentary from them.
All that's happened is, my suspicious mind has been activated and I'm left believing all is not right from them.
That's my conclusion.

Yours is an opposite one and equally valid.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Joey what type of passion do you want men to show who have been anally raped as children?

It's funny considering you questioned the word of all the women who came forward throughout Me Too.

But I suppose if you were already inclined to believe the allegations it's much easier to take them at their word.

[thesheriff443]

Mj never touched me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Mj never touched me.

I'M SPARTACUS!!!

[Beso]

Are tibb banning Michael Jackson song lyrics?

[Beso]

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...artman&f=false

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What I've seen from those who have.
Some facial expression that indicates new or mixed emotion.

Anger, even at themselves for what happened.
Regret and filling up for not feeling able to trust any other person.

Dismay and disappointment in now realising what they say had taken place.

Sighs of relief they were now able to get all out in the open, even tears of joy they were able to.

Not just sit there as if they were reading a shopping list or a fairy story.

If all happened as they say, their emotions would be strong and mixed.
With a strong passion too in making the stronger points to show how much this would have, affected their lives.

There was nothing I saw at all, in the whole 2 nights of around 3 and a half hours to demonstrate even the slightest hint of emotion from them.
Sorry LT, you clearly believe they told the truth.
That is your position and I respect that.

This is a serious issue they raise but the time they've done it, means a contradiction and fight against their allegations, from Jackson can't be done.

I'm offsetting that of his past investigation,charges and trial.
Then watching both parts of this documentary from them.
All that's happened is, my suspicious mind has been activated and I'm left believing all is not right from them.
That's my conclusion.

Yours is an opposite one and equally valid.

Who have' you seen that has?

[Nancy.]

Here's a video just show you how disgusting people can be. Offering someone $200,000 to say MJ molested their kids when he didn't is appalling.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I will never agree with a 30 odd year old man sleeping in the same room as pre pubescent boys and it being justified as because he was naive or had a bad childhood. He has ruined multiple lives, whether he laid a finger on them or not. They were children, not playthings

Yes, I think that's what helps make it so believable for me. Whether you believe the sexual allegations or not, it's surely hard to deny that he used a string of children like playthings, or pets. Claiming to love them and that they were special and then casting them aside when they didn't fit the criteria any more. In fact, people don't usually even treat pets like that. A really grim way to treat a human being and certainly amounting to emotional abuse whether the physical allegations are true or not.

But even then it's not that I don't get it. He was treated like "an object" himself pretty much his entire life, it's not difficult to understand that he was broken or why, I guess the differences in opinion just come down to how far things actually went.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Who have' you seen that has?

That I cannot reveal.
For personal reasons.
It's rather an inappropriate question
.
However while it isn't likely to get or see all the emotions I listed above.
It is more than likely to get one or more at the very least.
Certainly however in a prolonged detailing account of it all by them too.

Not none at all, as was the case with these 2 guys.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Here's a video just show you how disgusting people can be. Offering someone $200,000 to say MJ molested their kids when he didn't is appalling.

Well it's nice to see that this tweet came from an unbiased twitter account.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Here's a video just show you how disgusting people can be. Offering someone $200,000 to say MJ molested their kids when he didn't is appalling.

Jermaine has a new hashtag I see...goodness me he must be up all night...hope he don't come on tibb...


He might you know with his bb connections..that and copious amounts of coca in to keep him awake as he fumbles around the internet trying to stop that dollar dissappear ing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Jermaine has a new hashtag I see...goodness me he must be up all night...hope he don't come on tibb...


He might you know with his bb connections..that and copious amounts of coca in to keep him awake as he fumbles around the internet trying to stop that dollar dissappear ing.

Which dollar disappearing?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well it's nice to see that this tweet came from an unbiased twitter account.

Oh surprise surprise!

It doesn't matter who tweeted it.

Did you actually bother to watch the video to see what Ron had to say or did you see the origin and immediately dismiss it as nonsense? I'm guessing the latter.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That I cannot reveal.

For personal reasons.

It's rather an inappropriate question

.

However while it isn't likely to get or see all the emotions I listed above.

It is more than likely to get one or more at the very least.

Certainly however in a prolonged detailing account of it all by them too.



Not none at all, as was the case with these 2 guys.

Joey my wife works with addicts, sadly many of whom have been badly abused as childen, and found Robson and Safechuck's demeanor perfectly within the bounds of "normal" for people talking about these things. Not everyone is the same. I'm not saying that you don't also have experience, just that it is again clearly a matter of opinion.

Also worth noting that these aren't spontaneous things being said to a family member, therapist or in a legal setting... They've been written out for filming and filmed over multiple takes. You can't expect the same raw emotional output that you would get in a face to face discussion.