[Epic.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Another telling fact about this is that everyone claiming to have had stuff done and the people who claim to have seen things...and the le toya reveal.....well, they all tie in with what he is accused off...to me that is to big a coincidence to ignore.....he had a certain type and taste, and all these claims prove that.

I looked into the LaToya detail and it doesn't correlate with these claims at all. At the time she had a very abusive boyfriend and had a history of being made say things she wouldn't have wanted to otherwise, one of which being the accusation of calling her brother a pedophile. IF he was, I doubt he'd comfortably tell any family members about it

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Epic.

I looked into the LaToya detail and it doesn't correlate with these claims at all. At the time she had a very abusive boyfriend and had a history of being made say things she wouldn't have wanted to otherwise, one of which being the accusation of calling her brother a pedophile. IF he was, I doubt he'd comfortably tell any family members about it

3 times La Toya made the same claims, years apart ..Not just once

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Epic.

I looked into the LaToya detail and it doesn't correlate with these claims at all. At the time she had a very abusive boyfriend and had a history of being made say things she wouldn't have wanted to otherwise, one of which being the accusation of calling her brother a pedophile. IF he was, I doubt he'd comfortably tell any family members about it

I highly doubt he told anyone if he was abusing. If true, I would imagine La Toya was talking about things she saw and what she had witnessed herself, not that Michael had said "hey, guess what, I am a pedophile!"

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I highly doubt he told anyone if he was abusing. If true, I would imagine La Toya was talking about things she saw and what she had witnessed herself, not that Michael had said "hey, guess what, I am a pedophile!"

She also spoke of her mother hush money writing cheques for the abused children and their families

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Epic.

I looked into the LaToya detail and it doesn't correlate with these claims at all. At the time she had a very abusive boyfriend and had a history of being made say things she wouldn't have wanted to otherwise, one of which being the accusation of calling her brother a pedophile. IF he was, I doubt he'd comfortably tell any family members about it

Or you could interprete it as la toya telling her husband all about it and then him saying "hey hun, you really should say something, your brother is a dangerous man" then legally after the "family had got their hands on her she could easily say that her husband "told" her to say it...I'm assuming another cheque was written in la toya name this time though.

[Parmy]

You are correct though epic, she did have a history of having to say things she didn't want to say...things like.

Michael aint a pedo...Jermaines fault.

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...france-lawsuit

Michael Jackson fan groups to sue accusers for 'sullying his memory'
Robson Wade and James Safechuck, who in HBO documentary accuse Jackson of child sex abuse, face legal action in France

Three Michael Jackson fan groups are suing his alleged victims in France for “sullying his memory” by taking part in the Leaving Neverland documentary, the fans’ lawyer told Agence France-Presse on Friday.

The Michael Jackson Community – which claims to be the “official fan club forum” – and the MJ Street and On The Line groups accuse Robson Wade and James Safechuck of “lynching” Jackson.

The case, which will heard by a court in Orléans in northern France in July, follows reports that Jackson’s children were also considering taking legal action against the men, who say that Jackson sexually abused them when they were children.

Lawyer Emmanuel Ludot, who has previously successfully sued Jackson’s doctor for causing distress to his fans by giving him the drugs that killed him, said the groups “want to discredit the accusations of paedophilia” against Jackson.

Ludot said the “indignity of the extremely grave accusations” made by Wade and Safechuck in Leaving Neverland had sullied the memory of the singer, who died in 2009.

Jackson’s image had been affected by the allegations as well as “the whole community of his fans”, the lawyer said.

Leaving Neverland was first broadcast in the US on HBO earlier this month and has since broken streaming records in Britain.

The film has outraged some of Jackon’s fans, who have waged an often vicious social media campaign against his accusers.

A number of radio stations, from Australia to Canada have stopped playing Jackson’s music after the documentary was aired, and the creators of The Simpsons also shelved one of the animated series’ classic episodes because it featured Jackson’s voice.

French luxury brand Louis Vuitton dropped Jackson-themed clothing on Thursday from a collection it had shown at Paris fashion week in January, saying it found the “allegations in the documentary deeply troubling and disturbing”.

Virgil Abloh, the first black designer to lead a major Paris fashion house, was assailed by Jackson fans on social media for the decision.

“Shame on you for removing all items related to Michael Jackson,” one wrote on Instagram, while another accused him of being a “traitor … on the white people side”.

In 2014, French lawyer Ludot won nominal damages of €1 (80˘) from Jackson’s personal doctor Conrad Murray for the hurt he had caused to his fans for his part in the singer’s death.

Murray was jailed for four years for manslaughter for giving Jackson what turned out to be a lethal dose of the anaesthetic drug propofol to help him sleep.

[Parmy]

So internet fan groups can now sue individuals for alleged defimation of their hero's character..in france.


Switch of the light people..memo was right we all should just end things.

[Parmy]

Funded by the uks latest lottery winner....TIBB OWN, Kaz..the diamond in our eyes.

[Parmy]

I just ask myself why, why would grown men in thier 40s/50s suddenly start accusing cliff Richard. ..I've spoke to them face to face...they really come across as genuine as they sound.

[user104658]

Would you even extend that to the accusers themselves? "Make it illegal" for a rape victim to tell people that someone raped them if they weren't convicted for it?

Very slippery slope there, given the undeniable FACT that most rapists are unconvicted, whether you like that statistic or not.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Would you even extend that to the accusers themselves? "Make it illegal" for a rape victim to tell people that someone raped them if they weren't convicted for it?

Very slippery slope there, given the undeniable FACT that most rapists are unconvicted, whether you like that statistic or not.

Exactly, I have said before a close family member of mine reported a rape. I took her to the rape crisis centre with the police, I watched as they took picture of the blood on her thighs,the bruising on her arms, held her as she cried, listened to her threats over the coming months to take her own life as ger rapist and his friends threatened her, sat through a court case where every sexual relationship she ever had was questioned, heard the not guilty verdict because she knew her rapist and they could not agree about consent issues, watched as she fell apart once more. Do I now believe her rapist was innocent, do I ****.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Exactly, I have said before a close family member of mine reported a rape. I took her to the rape crisis centre with the police, I watched as they took picture of the blood on her thighs,the bruising on her arms, held her as she cried, listened to her threats over the coming months to take her own life as ger rapist and his friends threatened her, sat through a court case where every sexual relationship she ever had was questioned, heard the not guilty verdict because she knew her rapist and they could not agree about consent issues, watched as she fell apart once more. Do I now believe her rapist was innocent, do I ****.

I am sorry for what happened to your family member Annie and sadly that does happen,but that was someone you know and can see her reaction and know her personally to know she wasn't lying,also looks as though that verdict was wrong,but in this case there is something to be gained from MJ,he has money and is a famous person, he is a stranger to us as is Wade and Robson,also there was a 10 year investigation by high profile authorities as has been documented,and was STILL found not guilty so I tend to err on the laws side in the MJ case as he was scrutinised so much, there are so many hearsays and Chinese whispers in all this ,and if people believe he did it that's up to them but to blatantly say he is a child molester is wrong imo as there really is no proof , His name is tarnished now anyway, same as Cliff Richard,mud sticks even if someone is innocent.But in your friends case that surely wasn't right as she was obviously hurt which should be proof enough of something taking place.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am sorry for what happened to your family member Annie and sadly that does happen,but that was someone you know and can see her reaction and know her personally to know she wasn't lying,also looks as though that verdict was wrong,but in this case there is something to be gained from MJ,he has money and is a famous person, he is a stranger to us as is Wade and Robson,also there was a 10 year investigation by high profile authorities as has been documented,and was STILL found not guilty so I tend to err on the laws side in the MJ case as he was scrutinised so much, there are so many hearsays and Chinese whispers in all this ,and if people believe he did it that's up to them but to blatantly say he is a child molester is wrong imo as there really is no proof , His name is tarnished now anyway, same as Cliff Richard,mud sticks even if someone is innocent.But in your friends case that surely wasn't right as she was obviously hurt which should be proof enough of something taking place.

Thanks Kaz

It does just prove though how hard it is to get convictions. The jury were shown the pictures of her bruising and bleeding but his team said that was just "rough consensual sex"' I know it wasn't, everyone around her knew it wasn't but the jury couldn't say definitely as there wasn't enough proof and they didn't know her. Which is why I have very little faith in trials such as the one I sat through, or other cases such as MJs. He had the money for the best legal teams who will have every resource at their fingertips and at the end of the day, a jury is just regular joes like you and I who need to be able to say unanimously the crime happened and that just isn't always possible, as in the case I sat through.

Anyway, as you say, people will believe what they want and have researched themselves. It's good to discuss things rationally

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Thanks Kaz

It does just prove though how hard it is to get convictions. The jury were shown the pictures of her bruising and bleeding but his team said that was just "rough consensual sex"' I know it wasn't, everyone around her knew it wasn't but the jury couldn't say definitely as there wasn't enough proof and they didn't know her. Which is why I have very little faith in trials such as the one I sat through, or other cases such as MJs. He had the money for the best legal teams who will have every resource at their fingertips and at the end of the day, a jury is just regular joes like you and I who need to be able to say unanimously the crime happened and that just isn't always possible, as in the case I sat through.

Anyway, as you say, people will believe what they want and have researched themselves. It's good to discuss things rationally

Exactly Annie.Hope your friend is ok now.

[Kazanne]

Here's some more informative videos exposing Wade & James especially Wade

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[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Here's some more informative videos exposing Wade & James especially Wade

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I bet people won't pay attention to these videos exposing them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I bet people won't pay attention to these videos exposing them

I certainly wont; as I said before, the videos that have been linked to before have been a complete waste of time and to be frank these look even worse.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I certainly wont; as I said before, the videos that have been linked to before have been a complete waste of time and to be frank these look even worse.

The videos are facts & have proper research . Yet people would rather watch a mockumentary with contradictions & inconsistencies and in the 4 hours graphic abuse details oh lovely .

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Here's some more informative videos exposing Wade & James especially Wade

Youtube video

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I dont remember him burning anything in the videos maybe I switched off beforehand, but if he burned the Thriller jacket that is well dodgy as its just for dramatic effect

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I dont remember him burning anything in the videos maybe I switched off beforehand, but if he burned the Thriller jacket that is well dodgy as its just for dramatic effect

It was shown occuring in the end credits

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Epic.

It was shown occuring in the end credits

Really ?, I watched it and never saw that, maybe someone can find a clip

[Parmy]

Tin foil hats

[Parmy]

I hope everyone knows that my opinions on this are my own opinions, no matter what any court or news outlet, or even person says.....it's my opinion...and definatly very strong for the simple reason it's what I believe to be true...I don't have these opinions to wind anybody up or to shock...or be edgy.....it's me..this is whom I am..


I don't judge anyone on here and find this particular thread rather epic..

[Christmas Lights]

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