[setanta]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Glad about this. Was just reading the article regarding him being spared a jail sentence.


"The boy gave evidence during the trial via video-link from a room in the court building.

Rex Tedd QC, defending, put it to him in cross-examination that he regularly disrupted lessons.

Mr Tedd said: 'On nine occasions in the last year you deliberately disrupted the teaching of your class. Can you remember anything about that?'

'No,' replied the boy.

'My suggestion is that youwere a leading light in the trouble that took place in that class.'

'No,' repeated the teenager.

The barrister said: 'You're saying you cannot remember any of the trouble that took place in that classroom?'

'No,' the boy said."


How convenient.

Wow, maybe he cause severe braindamage to the kid. Nah, on second thought's he's just a moron.

[Tom4784]

He only got Community Service? What a joke.

I don't care what troubles he had in the past, if he wasn't up to teaching then he shouldn't have been in the classroom. At the end of the day he beat a kid's head in with a weight, If it was any other circumstance he would have gone down and rightfully so. So what the kid was being a b*stard, he's 14 years old for christ sake the teacher should have known better then to rise to it.

So what next? Running over 10 year old's that don't do their homework? Glassing 7 year old's that acidently spill something? It sickens me it truly does.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by angus58

Again I repeat you are in the minority, but it only takes a selfish minority of attention seeking, disruptive kids to ruin the education of others. If such kids want to push a teacher's buttons, they will eventually get a reaction such as this because, believe it or not, teachers are human beings not robots with no feelings.

I'm glad commonsense prevailed in dealing with this man who clearly had a breakdown, something his school must have been aware was on the cards in view of his previous medical history.

True. Obviously the bloke was troubled, but he shouldnt have been back at work that soon. He looked unstabled and even said that he "felt peaceful" after he smashed the pupils skull. Thats really not a very stable thing to stay.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He only got Community Service? What a joke.

I don't care what troubles he had in the past, if he wasn't up to teaching then he shouldn't have been in the classroom. At the end of the day he beat a kid's head in with a weight, If it was any other circumstance he would have gone down and rightfully so. So what the kid was being a b*stard, he's 14 years old for christ sake the teacher should have known better then to rise to it.

So what next? Running over 10 year old's that don't do their homework? Glassing 7 year old's that acidently spill something? It sickens me it truly does.

Its no Joke
justice is Done
Dezzy you are Out of Touch

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

He looked unstabled and even said that he "felt peaceful" after he smashed the pupils skull. Thats really not a very stable thing to stay.

Strange I know, but I think it was something to do with his condition. We cannot understand these things without having experienced them. It was obviously something to do with his state of mind.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Strange I know, but I think it was something to do with his condition. We cannot understand these things without having experienced them. It was obviously something to do with his state of mind.

Which is why i dont think he should have gone back to work so early.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

Which is why i dont think he should have gone back to work so early.

I agree on that point. I picked up on this in the article:

"He had been sent home in December 2008 by its education adviser Shahrukh Mugaseth after he admitted having thoughts of harming someone.

But he returned to work in April last year after receiving counselling sessions from a therapist who told him he was too 'peaceful and passive' and needed to be better at letting his anger out.

He could often be heard talking to himself and could be aggressive towards students."


It was obviously too soon, but it must have been deemed ok by the therapist. Are they to blame too? There are obviously many aspects to this. He was also trying to cope with his wifes depression amongst other things. A catalyst some might say.

[Mrluvaluva]

The CPS have released some of the CCTV footage that took place during and after the attack which has been shown on SKY.

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am glad they let Grantly off as Waterloo road would have been crap without him

[Beastie]

I bet the teacher wanted to give his pupil a good spit roast!

[Angus]

The teenage girl who was the ringleader had videoed the whole incident, which was played to the court. It showed how the class had goaded him, in particular this boy who was a well known troublemaker and who seems to have finally got what he deserved. If he's got brain damage as a result, it can only be an improvement.

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This, Kids are demonised too much these days it's shocking. Send the *****er down.

that little **** shouldnt have bullied tht teacher 4 months when he knew the poor bloke were mental, well HES BEEN SET FREE NA SO STICK DAT IN YA PIPE N SMOKE IT

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

that little **** shouldnt have bullied tht teacher 4 months when he knew the poor bloke were mental, well HES BEEN SET FREE NA SO STICK DAT IN YA PIPE N SMOKE IT

Still, if this man couldn't handle it then he shouldn't have been in the classroom. Kids are cruel, doesn't give people the rights to smash their heads in though.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Still, if this man couldn't handle it then he shouldn't have been in the classroom. Kids are cruel, doesn't give people the rights to smash their heads in though.

Like I said earlier, the school is to blame - probably compelled the poor man to return to work because he'd been deemed fit to do so by his therapist apparently! If he hadn't gone back, he would probably have got a disciplinary or lost wages. He was probably unaware himself that he was not fit - that's a determination that should have been made by his therapist, doctor and school.

The kids were screwed because of the video that showed what actually happened from beginning to end, so they couldn't lie their way out of it by saying "we didn't do nuffin". That's why he was acquitted, the jury saw for themselves what he had to endure before he finally snapped.
Remember it wasn't just this one occasion, these kids had been baiting him for months. Perhaps they'll think twice before they try it with anyone else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

Like I said earlier, the school is to blame - probably compelled the poor man to return to work because he'd been deemed fit to do so by his therapist apparently! If he hadn't gone back, he would probably have got a disciplinary or lost wages. He was probably unaware himself that he was not fit - that's a determination that should have been made by his therapist, doctor and school.

The kids were screwed because of the video that showed what actually happened from beginning to end, so they couldn't lie their way out of it by saying "we didn't do nuffin". That's why he was acquitted, the jury saw for themselves what he had to endure before he finally snapped.
Remember it wasn't just this one occasion, these kids had been baiting him for months. Perhaps they'll think twice before they try it with anyone else.

True about the school but if I'm honest I can't drum up much sympathy for someone who would do that to a kid. He should have been sent down for it really. He obviously committed GBH with intent so he should have gone down for perhaps a smaller amount of time then usual given the cirumstances.

He did crack so they should have had him do the sentance in a mental health facility so that he doesn't brain anyone else in future.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

True about the school but if I'm honest I can't drum up much sympathy for someone who would do that to a kid. He should have been sent down for it really. He obviously committed GBH with intent so he should have gone down for perhaps a smaller amount of time then usual given the cirumstances.

He did crack so they should have had him do the sentance in a mental health facility so that he doesn't brain anyone else in future.

I'm fed up with the argument that they were just kids. Yeah, kids who knew exactly what they were doing and which buttons to push, the cruel b*stards. They wanted a reaction, but unfortunately for them they got more than they bargained for. He was acquitted because it was done in the heat of the moment (not premeditated) when he was under intense emotional and psychological pressure so the jury made the correct decision. He probably entered a plea of temporary insanity, and you cannot indict somebody who is insane.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

I'm fed up with the argument that they were just kids. Yeah, kids who knew exactly what they were doing and which buttons to push, the cruel b*stards. They wanted a reaction, but unfortunately for them they got more than they bargained for. He was acquitted because it was done in the heat of the moment (not premeditated) when he was under intense emotional and psychological pressure so the jury made the correct decision. He probably entered a plea of temporary insanity, and you cannot indict somebody who is insane.

Regardless of what the kids were doing it doesn't justify beating their brains in with a weight and if it does then I fear for this country I really do. I could just BARELY understand if the teacher's life was in danger then it would be self defense but it wasn't. He was guilty of the crime in question (you don't accidently start screaming out 'die' while kicking the crap out of someone). The fact that he was provoked should not have been the difference between a conviction and an acquittal, it should have only affected how long he went down for. He could have served the time in a facility getting help if it was a case of temporary insanity. I'm not sure if you could get sectioned on an insanity plea but it's what should have happened here.

I do hope he gets sorted out though, because if he can be pushed that far once then it can easily happen again

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Regardless of what the kids were doing it doesn't justify beating their brains in with a weight and if it does then I fear for this country I really do. I could just BARELY understand if the teacher's life was in danger then it would be self defense but it wasn't. He was guilty of the crime in question (you don't accidently start screaming out 'die' while kicking the crap out of someone). The fact that he was provoked should not have been the difference between a conviction and an acquittal, it should have only affected how long he went down for. He could have served the time in a facility getting help if it was a case of temporary insanity. I'm not sure if you could get sectioned on an insanity plea but it's what should have happened here.

I do hope he gets sorted out though, because if he can be pushed that far once then it can easily happen again

Well I can't see him returning to teaching any time soon, nor I doubt would he want to. What would be a terrible and unjust society is one where we judged the insane or mentally ill by the same standards as those in full possession of their faculties. The consensus on this forum seems to be that the jury made the right decision having taken into account his prolonged torture by these kids, his previous mental history, and the actual baiting and taunting he was subjected to on the day in question which tipped him momentarily over the edge.

What I would like to know is what punishments were handed out to the girl who was the ring leader doing the video (which the nasty b*tch intended to distribute around the school and on the internet) and the other sadistic brats who thought it fun to taunt and torment someone they saw as a soft target?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well I can't see him returning to teaching any time soon, nor I doubt would he want to. What would be a terrible and unjust society is one where we judged the insane or mentally ill by the same standards as those in full possession of their faculties. The consensus on this forum seems to be that the jury made the right decision having taken into account his prolonged torture by these kids, his previous mental history, and the actual baiting and taunting he was subjected to on the day in question which tipped him momentarily over the edge.

What I would like to know is what punishments were handed out to the girl who was the ring leader doing the video (which the nasty b*tch intended to distribute around the school and on the internet) and the other sadistic brats who thought it fun to taunt and torment someone they saw as a soft target?

Just because he won't return to teaching doesn't mean he won't crack again and hurt someone. At least if he got sectioned he would have definitely recieved help as he might not get it under his own steam. I'm not saying throw the man in prison just that he should have been convicted and served his time in a place where he could get help for his issues. The man was a victim but the second he lifted that weight was the second he was a victim no longer. If we replaced the teacher with another student you could bet your bottom dollar he'd have been sent down for it.

I do think there should be an investigation into how it got this far though, a few senior heads at that school should roll for it since it's obvious that man wasn't in a fit state to be in a classroom.

The difference between the kids and the teacher is that they didn't break any laws. They'l be punished by the school and rightfully so for the damage they caused the teacher but it still doesn't excuse the man for what he did.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just because he won't return to teaching doesn't mean he won't crack again and hurt someone. At least if he got sectioned he would have definitely recieved help as he might not get it under his own steam. I'm not saying throw the man in prison just that he should have been convicted and served his time in a place where he could get help for his issues. The man was a victim but the second he lifted that weight was the second he was a victim no longer. If we replaced the teacher with another student you could bet your bottom dollar he'd have been sent down for it.

I do think there should be an investigation into how it got this far though, a few senior heads at that school should roll for it since it's obvious that man wasn't in a fit state to be in a classroom.

The difference between the kids and the teacher is that they didn't break any laws. They'l be punished by the school and rightfully so for the damage they caused the teacher but it still doesn't excuse the man for what he did.

You say the kids were not doing anything unlawful but their deliberate actions were the catalyst to this whole incident, they are not blameless. Every action has a reaction, and sometimes that reaction can be totally unexpected as happened in this case. Ask yourself what reaction were they trying to get from this poor man? They clearly set out to humiliate him and emotionally abuse him. They were effectively bullying him and its about time that bullying in school IS made unlawful so that the perpetrators are held accountable. How many times have we heard how kids who have been unrelentingly bullied at school commit suicide? Are the bullies blameless? Tragic things can happen when you push someone over the edge.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

You say the kids were not doing anything unlawful but their deliberate actions were the catalyst to this whole incident, they are not blameless. Every action has a reaction, and sometimes that reaction can be totally unexpected as happened in this case. Ask yourself what reaction were they trying to get from this poor man? They clearly set out to humiliate him and emotionally abuse him. They were effectively bullying him and its about time that bullying in school IS made unlawful so that the perpetrators are held accountable. How many times have we heard how kids who have been unrelentingly bullied at school commit suicide? Are the bullies blameless? Tragic things can happen when you push someone over the edge.

I do agree that bullying at that level should be an offense but at this time it isn't so it's down to the school and the parents to punish them accordingly and there's nothing more we can really say apart from that.

[Shasown]

Its good to see that people have a grip on reality.

He wasnt in a state of mind to be classed as legally responsible for his actions, at the time of the attack.

However he had served 8 months on remand for the attack, this probably given his lack of criminal record and his remorse for the attack is more than he would have received as a sentence anyway.

Sectioning is different from punishing under criminal law. He was deemed prior to the attack to have been fit to return to work, since the attack he has been receiving treatment on a voluntary basis. What good would sectioning, which is detaining someone under the Mental Health Act 1983 achieve?

[MrGaryy]

I'm really happy to hear he didnt get sent down for this, I think it would have been unjust. Yes the man overreacred majorly, yes it';s unjustifiable and yes he shouldn't have been in that classroom at all if he wasnt fit enough to handle it but that doesn't erase the fact that those kids pushed it WAY over the limit, they deliberately provoked him and did it not out of hormones or puberty but out of sheer badness.

there was a teacher in my school who actually had a mental breakdown because the students bullied her so badly and continue to do so. I recall one time someone stole her keys with keys to her car and house and let her spend a whole class looking for them only to go outside afterwards and throw them in a river. Just plain nasty and disrespectful.

But I also think it's unfair to generalise like the media have and realise that the vast majority of kids do actually understand the difference between right and wrong and though they may not act on their feelings, a lot of kids you'll find will disapprove of the serious troublemakers.