[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by James

My suggestion.

They should have the judges privately write down the name of the person they are voting to send home, then show them one-by-one. Much fairer.

its not a bad idea,but still the judges could look at what name there writing down.

[Zippy]

Cheryl said she would take it to deadlock but Dermot overruled her and said they would just take the majority verdict of the other 3 judges. Maybe they had time issues.

I dont think Cheryl had a chance to protest even if she wanted to as it all happened so fast. I think she was just relieved to not have to make a decision herself.

[Legend killer]

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

For once, I am saying nothing more than I totally agree with all you said above.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

Legend, you'd make a better judge than Cheryl.. you have my vote!!!

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

well said and i also want to see you as a judge

[Mystic Mock]

legend killer for x factor judge?

[tate]

spot on Legend Killer

[alc09]

She hasn't come out of this very well at all, silly woman.

[Tom]

I think people are missing the point that Dermot said "we're going to do a majority vote, is that OK" whilst pointing at Cheryl. We never saw Cheryls reaction but considering the way they continuted, you can guarantee she said yes

But hey if it lets people have yet another go at Cheryl then thats OK isnt it

[Rawrbear]

I 100% agree it was unfair on cheryl
i mean she also turned to a hate figure abit out of order

[patsylimerick]

If you're in the sing off and you get four votes to go home, you go home. If you get three votes to go home, you go home. If you get two votes to go home, it goes to deadlock. Treyc got two votes to go home. It didn't go to deadlock. This, to me, was a clear production decision to keep Katie in. The Cheryl fans on here are at pains to argue that Cheryl didn't know they were going to go to her second. Maybe she didn't. The point, however, is that Treyc is her act, she was her mentor. Surely it's her job to protect her act from a blatant injustice, no? And she blatantly didn't. Also, please stop acting like the toilet-attendant puncher is a delicate waif who needs to be defended from criticism. She's laughing all the way to LAX in 1st class at the X Factor fans. She needs to grow some metaphorical balls if she's to maintain any semblance of credibility.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

If you're in the sing off and you get four votes to go home, you go home. If you get three votes to go home, you go home. If you get two votes to go home, it goes to deadlock. Treyc got two votes to go home. It didn't go to deadlock. This, to me, was a clear production decision to keep Katie in. The Cheryl fans on here are at pains to argue that Cheryl didn't know they were going to go to her second. Maybe she didn't. The point, however, is that Treyc is her act, she was her mentor. Surely it's her job to protect her act from a blatant injustice, no? And she blatantly didn't. Also, please stop acting like the toilet-attendant puncher is a delicate waif who needs to be defended from criticism. She's laughing all the way to LAX in 1st class at the X Factor fans. She needs to grow some metaphorical balls if she's to maintain any semblance of credibility.

Hear Hear!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

If you're in the sing off and you get four votes to go home, you go home. If you get three votes to go home, you go home. If you get two votes to go home, it goes to deadlock. Treyc got two votes to go home. It didn't go to deadlock. This, to me, was a clear production decision to keep Katie in. The Cheryl fans on here are at pains to argue that Cheryl didn't know they were going to go to her second. Maybe she didn't. The point, however, is that Treyc is her act, she was her mentor. Surely it's her job to protect her act from a blatant injustice, no? And she blatantly didn't. Also, please stop acting like the toilet-attendant puncher is a delicate waif who needs to be defended from criticism. She's laughing all the way to LAX in 1st class at the X Factor fans. She needs to grow some metaphorical balls if she's to maintain any semblance of credibility.

You are still missing the point that I've repeated numerous times today.

Cheryl confirmed she was refused to vote - therefore the rule is her vote is then void. It happened to Sharon in Series 4 and it happend last night. With Cheryl's vote void, there's only three votes left - making it a majority vote. No conspiracies whatsoever. Cheryl wouldn't have been able to object as she quite clearly confirmed, when asked, that she was refusing to vote. Like I said somewhere else, if Dannii had backtracked after she'd voted Katie and said 'oh wait, I've changed my mind, can I send home TreyC?', do you really think they would have allowed it? Or if on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?', after the contestant has said 'final answer', they changed their mind - do you think they'd be able to change their answer then? No, no they wouldn't. And the same applies here, as it does in most TV shows. The first [or 'final' answer] is set in stone.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are still missing the point that I've repeated numerous times today.

Cheryl confirmed she was refused to vote - therefore the rule is her vote is then void. It happened to Sharon in Series 4 and it happend last night. With Cheryl's vote void, there's only three votes left - making it a majority vote. No conspiracies whatsoever. Cheryl wouldn't have been able to object as she quite clearly confirmed, when asked, that she was refusing to vote. Like I said somewhere else, if Dannii had backtracked after she'd voted Katie and said 'oh wait, I've changed my mind, can I send home TreyC?', do you really think they would have allowed it? Or if on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?', after the contestant has said 'final answer', they changed their mind - do you think they'd be able to change their answer then? No, no they wouldn't. And the same applies here, as it does in most TV shows. The first [or 'final' answer] is set in stone.

they still delibrately asked cheryl second so she couldnt take it to deadlock,and it makes a mockery of the show when last year rachel was easily better than lloyd on almost everything,yet he stayed because it was rachels 3rd time in the bottom 2 which is fair enough,but why get rid of rachel for that excuse but not katie who also forgot the words to the song?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are still missing the point that I've repeated numerous times today.

Cheryl confirmed she was refused to vote - therefore the rule is her vote is then void. It happened to Sharon in Series 4 and it happend last night. With Cheryl's vote void, there's only three votes left - making it a majority vote. No conspiracies whatsoever. Cheryl wouldn't have been able to object as she quite clearly confirmed, when asked, that she was refusing to vote. Like I said somewhere else, if Dannii had backtracked after she'd voted Katie and said 'oh wait, I've changed my mind, can I send home TreyC?', do you really think they would have allowed it? Or if on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?', after the contestant has said 'final answer', they changed their mind - do you think they'd be able to change their answer then? No, no they wouldn't. And the same applies here, as it does in most TV shows. The first [or 'final' answer] is set in stone.

Yes, but was Sharon asked last of the three? If she was, then the cases are not comparable at all. I don't remember this incident with Sharon, so I don't know. The 'conspiracy theories' are very much centred upon the fact that Cheryl was asked to bow out - as she was obviously going to do, she has the spine strength of an amoeba - early on; so the Deadlock was completely ruled out. In any event, the point of MY post was that Cheryl did absolutely nothing to try and ensure fairness for Treyc. Fairness for her, given that she had only two votes to go home, would be access to the public vote results. That, as I said, was my point.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

they still delibrately asked cheryl second so she couldnt take it to deadlock,and it makes a mockery of the show when last year rachel was easily better than lloyd on almost everything,yet he stayed because it was rachels 3rd time in the bottom 2 which is fair enough,but why get rid of rachel for that excuse but not katie who also forgot the words to the song?

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Yes, but was Sharon asked last of the three? If she was, then the cases are not comparable at all. I don't remember this incident with Sharon, so I don't know. The 'conspiracy theories' are very much centred upon the fact that Cheryl was asked to bow out - as she was obviously going to do, she has the spine strength of an amoeba - early on; so the Deadlock was completely ruled out. In any event, the point of MY post was that Cheryl did absolutely nothing to try and ensure fairness for Treyc. Fairness for her, given that she had only two votes to go home, would be access to the public vote results. That, as I said, was my point.

No, she was asked first - hence why I compared the two. It was the first Live Show of Series 4 and it was the episode where she 'walked off', after refusing to vote when she had two of her acts in the Bottom Two. The same applies here, except Cheryl was asked second, not first. Not much difference.

I don't buy into the fact that the order they were asked in was 'fixed'. They were pushing for time, and probably felt it would be easiest to just go from right to left without thinking it through. I personally think it's irrelevant when a Judge is asked for their vote, when you're asked you give your vote - and if you refuse to vote then that's your decision. The Judge should not be in control of the voting order - and I can guarantee, that if for some bizzarre reason Cheryl had got her way, and they had gone back to her, all of her haters would be doing the rounds of internet forums continuing to claim she is 'favoured' and 'special' etc etc. She can't win.

And 'access to the public votes'? You really think that, upon request of Cheryl and other members of the public, they are going to give out access to the voting figures so far this series? It's never going to happen. Voting figures are released at the end of every series - so as not to effect the outcome of future votes during the series. That's not going to change for anyone, neither should it.

In short; she was required to cast her vote second, she refused - her vote was voided. Simple.

[Zippy]

All this nonsense could have been avoided by Dermot leaving Cheryl until last. Maybe he was rushed for time and forgot that he was supposed to go to her last and just went along the line? They did seem pushed timewise. Maybe it was done for drama.

Whatever, no judge should be asked to send home one of their acts like that. It could be easily avoided by asking them last and therefore giving them the deadlock option. Which is exactly what Cheryl wanted to do.

But Dermot/producers suddenly decided to just let the other 3 judges decide. Thats not Cheryls fault at all. What, she is supposed to jump up and protest? Hardly. At that point I think she was just relieved that she didnt have to decide and accepted what the other judges chose.

Its the producers who are to blame here. In some ways theyve actually put Cheryl in a bad position. They didnt do this to Simon...quelle surprise.

[IheartBB]

Why should any judge have the casting vote? It shouldn't matter whether Cheryl voted second or last, her choice should still be the same. She was asked to vote off an act, she didn't, she loses her vote. Simple. Worried about hurting one of their feelings? Too bad. She knew what she signed up for. It's just business. It's not like she'll be in contact with either of them after the show is over.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by IheartBB

Why should any judge have the casting vote? It shouldn't matter whether Cheryl voted second or last, her choice should still be the same. She was asked to vote off an act, she didn't, she loses her vote. Simple. Worried about hurting one of their feelings? Too bad. She knew what she signed up for. It's just business. It's not like she'll be in contact with either of them after the show is over.

it was still wrong that they asked her second when they knew she wanted to take it to deadlock.

[IheartBB]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

it was still wrong that they asked her second when they knew she wanted to take it to deadlock.

So... you didn't actually read my post?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by IheartBB

So... you didn't actually read my post?

i did.

[US Nacho]

I'm not sure if this was pointed out elsewhere or not, but today's X Factor AU ended up in just about the exact same scenario. One Judge had his two acts in the bottom two. The first judge votes for one group, the second votes for another and they go to the third judge who was mentoring both acts and he refuses to vote. They move to the 4th judge who then says "well I'm voting for Luke and Joel so now what are you going to do?" and then the presenter goes back to Judge #3 and says "I assume you're going to send this to deadlock then?" and he is given a 2nd chance to vote and does so.

I'm not one for these crazy conspiracy theories that often accompany shows like this, but especially in light of this, there really does seem like the producers are getting involved in order to keep Katie around for as long as possible. I don't know what else could explain it because they have never acted this way when similar situations have occurred.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by US Nacho

I'm not sure if this was pointed out elsewhere or not, but today's X Factor AU ended up in just about the exact same scenario. One Judge had his two acts in the bottom two. The first judge votes for one group, the second votes for another and they go to the third judge who was mentoring both acts and he refuses to vote. They move to the 4th judge who then says "well I'm voting for Luke and Joel so now what are you going to do?" and then the presenter goes back to Judge #3 and says "I assume you're going to send this to deadlock then?" and he is given a 2nd chance to vote and does so.

I'm not one for these crazy conspiracy theories that often accompany shows like this, but especially in light of this, there really does seem like the producers are getting involved in order to keep Katie around for as long as possible. I don't know what else could explain it because they have never acted this way when similar situations have occurred.

yes, this what you would expect to happen and has always done, it's a bit fishy to say the least

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by IheartBB

Why should any judge have the casting vote? It shouldn't matter whether Cheryl voted second or last, her choice should still be the same. She was asked to vote off an act, she didn't, she loses her vote. Simple. Worried about hurting one of their feelings? Too bad. She knew what she signed up for. It's just business. It's not like she'll be in contact with either of them after the show is over.

what cod.

yes she is worried about hurting one of their feelings. She did not sign up to cast the deciding vote at all. The structure is there for her to not have to...with deadlock. She did not have to choose between them if theyd simply asked her last. Not difficult to do and they manage to do it when its Simon in that position.

Cheryl has worked with and mentored these girls for months now and your post doesnt grasp that simple fact.