[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I know what you mean Niamh,but the press haven't shut up about since she won CBB,lol.surely it's not worthy of front page news EVERY day,I'm more interested in getting that bliddy'hook'man exported tbh,lol.

Hook man?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

Well said Kazanne, 100% agree with you, at the end of the day, it's no ones business, she & her family must be going through hell at the moment, cause a marriage breakup is not easy on anyone.

Mabye if she let the press do what they do, and for her to keep her dignity and remain tight lipped and deal with it all privately - people would have some respect for her.

As it is: it's all SHE has spoken about - and I'll tell you something else: I bet there will be another book from her on the back of all this.

She's not wanting anything kept private: otherwise she'd simply shut her mouth - but as we all saw on CBB, it's some size of gob to try and keep shut - it's something else for her to add to her 'To do' List, along with drying out.

[arista]

The 3rd Front Page today for this Utter Con Woman.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

The 3rd Front Page today for this Utter Con Woman.

I wonder if that Winter vomitting bug in the hospitals is related to poor sick patients flicking through the tabloids - and being met with the full horror of Denise flashing her well worn bits.

Poor wee souls: as if being in hospital isn't bad enough - they have those awful images of the drunken scuttery one forced upon their innocent & unsuspecfting wee eyes, causing them to vomit all over the place. Life is so cruel at times.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Nothing wrong with making money out of a relationship split.

[Jack_]

I'll never, ever be able to fathom this barrage of hate directed at so-called 'sluts' and 'slags'. This whole story and the response it's received links in pretty well to it I think.

I've never understood it...what is so bad about sleeping with many people? Like, really? What is it? Just because we've all been brought up to believe it is bad, it doesn't mean it is. It's another socially constructed concept that we have all just bought into...and well why? People enjoy sex...so why should there be a limit on the amount of it you can have? Why do people look down on those who 'sleep around'? What exactly is the big problem with it? That's not to say I agree with cheating - that's an entirely different thing (which I don't agree with), before someone brings that up. So it's not completely linked, but I've never really got my head around why people bandy the terms 'slut' and 'slag' about so much, what's the real problem?

That links into people's problems with Denise getting her tits out, or flashing. Or any other woman (or man) for that reason. Again...what's the big deal? Why is it so utterly wrong and 'disgusting' if someone is to do that, especially if they're considered 'too old'? Like...what difference does it make? Can people not enjoy themselves, have a bit of a laugh, and you know...use their body in whatever way they wish? What business is it of anyone else to look down on somebody for engaging in such actions and behaviour? Why again has everyone just adopted this idea that it's so 'bad' and that people who do it 'embarrass' themselves? Because if anything, I think the people who criticise those for actually enjoying their lives, living it the way they want to live, regardless of their age, are the ones that embarrass themselves. They make themselves look like such uptight, miserable idiots that wish to preach their reserved, prudish attitude to the rest of society. At least people like Denise are proud of their bodies, proud to use it in whatever way they wish, and are willing to have a joke around. Why is that oh such an awful thing? The answer - it's not. People just think it is because that's what they've been brought up to believe. Does that make it right? Of course not.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Who the bloody hell do you think you are addressing Jack?

You. I'd have thought that was pretty evident considering I quoted your post...

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My age has got sweet piss all to do with anything - keep your personal sarcastic remarks to yourself and learn to post on the subject matter without being facetious to fms personally.

I'm afraid it has, as living longer than someone often means you are likely to have had more life experiences. Hell, you've even said that to me before in the past...talk about double standards. It's not always true, and can't always be used as an argument...but here I don't see why it can't.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

At HER age, if she was going through so much 'emotional turmoil' (thus Michael Madsen was 100% correct in his comment that she was emotionally distrubed: the man has been vindicated) - she put herself up for being on a show that she was not emotionally able to cope with. You expect me to feel sorry for that - or feel compassion? Not a chance in hell mate.

I'm pretty sure most people agreed Michael was right in his comments, it's just the fact that he chose to so nastily air them in front of her and the rest of the house that was the problem. It made great TV however...and I am a Michael fan, or was.

Yeah - for one main reason really, money. And let's not deny that most of us in her position would've accepted the offer, if given it.

Just because she wasn't perhaps 'emotionally able to cope with it', that doesn't mean you can't feel compassion, that's just stupid. At the end of the day...the woman had recently split from her husband, didn't want to discuss it with anyone (which is a choice she is perfectly entitled to, despite what anyone thinks), and so obviously may have been a little sensitive at times, and maybe that's why she got so upset so often. There's no problem with that. And of course, let's not forget the reason which overrides all others here...it made great TV.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I wonder if that Winter vomitting bug in the hospitals is related to poor sick patients flicking through the tabloids - and being met with the full horror of Denise flashing her well worn bits.

Poor wee souls: as if being in hospital isn't bad enough - they have those awful images of the drunken scuttery one forced upon their innocent & unsuspecfting wee eyes, causing them to vomit all over the place. Life is so cruel at times.

I'm pretty sure having to read the abomination that is The Daily Express is more likely to induce illness than anything else. I'd have thought that's a given.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'll never, ever be able to fathom this barrage of hate directed at so-called 'sluts' and 'slags'. This whole story and the response it's received links in pretty well to it I think.

I've never understood it...what is so bad about sleeping with many people? Like, really? What is it? Just because we've all been brought up to believe it is bad, it doesn't mean it is. It's another socially constructed concept that we have all just bought into...and well why? People enjoy sex...so why should there be a limit on the amount of it you can have? Why do people look down on those who 'sleep around'? What exactly is the big problem with it? That's not to say I agree with cheating - that's an entirely different thing (which I don't agree with), before someone brings that up. So it's not completely linked, but I've never really got my head around why people bandy the terms 'slut' and 'slag' about so much, what's the real problem?

That links into people's problems with Denise getting her tits out, or flashing. Or any other woman (or man) for that reason. Again...what's the big deal? Why is it so utterly wrong and 'disgusting' if someone is to do that, especially if they're considered 'too old'? Like...what difference does it make? Can people not enjoy themselves, have a bit of a laugh, and you know...use their body in whatever way they wish? What business is it of anyone else to look down on somebody for engaging in such actions and behaviour? Why again has everyone just adopted this idea that it's so 'bad' and that people who do it 'embarrass' themselves? Because if anything, I think the people who criticise those for actually enjoying their lives, living it the way they want to live, regardless of their age, are the ones that embarrass themselves. They make themselves look like such uptight, miserable idiots that wish to preach their reserved, prudish attitude to the rest of society. At least people like Denise are proud of their bodies, proud to use it in whatever way they wish, and are willing to have a joke around. Why is that oh such an awful thing? The answer - it's not. People just think it is because that's what they've been brought up to believe. Does that make it right? Of course not.



You. I'd have thought that was pretty evident considering I quoted your post...



I'm afraid it has, as living longer than someone often means you are likely to have had more life experiences. Hell, you've even said that to me before in the past...talk about double standards. It's not always true, and can't always be used as an argument...but here I don't see why it can't.



I'm pretty sure most people agreed Michael was right in his comments, it's just the fact that he chose to so nastily air them in front of her and the rest of the house that was the problem. It made great TV however...and I am a Michael fan, or was.

Yeah - for one main reason really, money. And let's not deny that most of us in her position would've accepted the offer, if given it.

Just because she wasn't perhaps 'emotionally able to cope with it', that doesn't mean you can't feel compassion, that's just stupid. At the end of the day...the woman had recently split from her husband, didn't want to discuss it with anyone (which is a choice she is perfectly entitled to, despite what anyone thinks), and so obviously may have been a little sensitive at times, and maybe that's why she got so upset so often. There's no problem with that. And of course, let's not forget the reason which overrides all others here...it made great TV.



I'm pretty sure having to read the abomination that is The Daily Express is more likely to induce illness than anything else. I'd have thought that's a given.

BIB.Clearly, this type of comment coming from you - from someone who I suspect has either nil or very very little experience of 'sleeping' with anyone, never mind 'sleeping around' when in a long term relationship, is hilarious but not altogether unexpected seeing as you think you know it all Jack, when in fact, you know very little.

Married woman (or men) don't go about sleeping around - or rather, those who aren't loose on morals don't. Very easy to comprehend but as I say, I'm not surprised at all that you don't understand that.

The 2nd para of that particular paragraph that I bolded above shows that you completely contradicted yourself in saying that you don't agree with cheating.

Get an opinion one way or another rather than covering all bases - otherwise your diatribes are a meaningless barrage of empty words.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

BIB.Clearly, this type of comment coming from you - from someone who I suspect has either nil or very very little experience of 'sleeping' with anyone, never mind 'sleeping around' when in a long term relationship, is hilarious but not altogether unexpected seeing as you think you know it all Jack, when in fact, you know very little.

And you expect me to believe that you have a lot of sexual experience? Oh my...please. Dying

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Married woman (or men) don't go about sleeping around - or rather, those who aren't loose on morals don't. Very easy to comprehend but as I say, I'm not surprised at all that you don't understand that.

The 2nd para of that particular paragraph that I bolded above shows that you completely contradicted yourself in saying that you don't agree with cheating.

Get an opinion one way or another rather than covering all bases - otherwise your diatribes are a meaningless barrage of empty words.

Surprise, surprise, as per usual you've completely missed my point...or rather, chose to ignore my point and bypass everything, instead reverting to recycled rubbish that you've already posted that doesn't actually invalidate anything I've said.

I made clear in my post I was referring to people's problems with single people who sleep around, calling them things like 'slags' and 'sluts'. It was a totally separate issue to the thread in hand, but related in some way, and so that's why I brought it up. I clearly stated that married men/women, or those who are in relationships that cheat - are quite rightfully in the wrong. But you don't seem to have noted that part...which of course isn't at all surprising.

There is no real reason as to why people (single people...yes, just to make sure that's clear) cannot sleep around, and why if they do so they're labelled with such ridiculous names. Because let's be honest...what exactly is the problem with it, I mean really? What is it? Once again...this isn't about married people, or those in relationships (I hope I've made myself clear now) who cheat - as obviously then there's a problem. But it's about single people, and why so many people have such a problem with those who sleep around.

I have an opinion, and it's not 'covering all bases'. It's a clear division between single people and those in relationships. That's not difficult to comprehend.

[Patricia4]

She is such a player her gob is too big to keep shut she's a scum bag.

[Kazanne]

Maybe she hasn't kept quiet because if she does the papers will run riot with this story,by speaking up she is giving HER version of things and holding the press off printing some fabrications,i dont think I'de keep stum if the press were running a story and putting their own spin on things,best she speak up ,no one else knows only her and her family,I cant understand the hate for her seems a bit harsh,none of us lead perfect lives.

[tonyface]

My husband might be in America........

[arista]

Here we go again

[Jake.]

The fact she is on front pages doesn't bother me. If anything, it's a tiny bit more promotion for Big Brother.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JH95

The fact she is on front pages doesn't bother me. If anything, it's a tiny bit more promotion for Big Brother.

You have that wrong
She is Promoting herself on Loose Women. ITV1

[Angus]

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE:

NHS cuts?
University Fees?
The Economy?
The Crisis in Europe?
The war on terrorism?

HELL NO

Some mediocre actress has split up with her husband because of her constant affairs and drunken antics, and instead of crawling away to avoid any further embarrassment to her family, insists on grandstanding on national television, thus resulting in her pointless, futile life being worthy of front page coverage

[arista]

Originally Posted by Angus

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE:

NHS cuts?
University Fees?
The Economy?
The Crisis in Europe?
The war on terrorism?

HELL NO

Some mediocre actress has split up with her husband because of her constant affairs and drunken antics, and instead of crawling away to avoid any further embarrassment to her family, insists on grandstanding on national television, thus resulting in her pointless, futile life being worthy of front page coverage

Yes with that Hag on a Front page
I say Sod that Paper.

[Marc]

Aw poor Denise

[Kizzy]

To be totally honest i have surprised myself at my own reaction to this woman, wether its some deep seated resentment issues from my childhood, aspects of myself i dont like..what ever it is this persons behaviour jars with me, the whole jeckel and hyde aspect to it, the air of respectability she has conflicts with what we saw in the house. Not to mention the media circus that she is ringmaster of right now.
I am usually level headed and i dont take people at face value, but im really struggling to see one single positive to this person.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Another diatribe, you're very good at them I must say.

You missed the point again. Denise was MARRIED when she was knocking about. It isn't rocket science. ~Well, not for the average person to understand.

And you're very good at completely ignoring any valid points someone makes, replying with a few lines of recycled, devoid rubbish that really, has no relation to anything the poster said. It's all a game of avoid-being-proven-wrong and you excel in it. Perhaps there are degrees available in it that you could take up?

Well...considering the title of this thread, and what she said on Loose Women, it doesn't seem that way to me. It seems that she was separated from her husband when she was 'knocking about'. Not that that has anything to do with the main things I said of course, but why I expected a coherent reply that actually had some relation to what I posted, I have no idea...I should have known what to expect.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And you're very good at completely ignoring any valid points someone makes, replying with a few lines of recycled, devoid rubbish that really, has no relation to anything the poster said. It's all a game of avoid-being-proven-wrong and you excel in it. Perhaps there are degrees available in it that you could take up?

Well...considering the title of this thread, and what she said on Loose Women, it doesn't seem that way to me. It seems that she was separated from her husband when she was 'knocking about'. Not that that has anything to do with the main things I said of course, but why I expected a coherent reply that actually had some relation to what I posted, I have no idea...I should have known what to expect.

Nah just yours Jack. So pointless I find them to be.

That, is my perogative.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nah just yours Jack. So pointless I find them to be.

That, is my perogative.

See that's amusing because I'm definitely not the only one to have made the same point to you in the past, and you and most others are quite aware of this. Deny it all you want Pyramid, but you know you do it and pretending that you don't isn't going to change it.

Let's be honest here...the real reason isn't that you find them 'pointless', it's just that when someone confronts you with some reasoned, valid arguments you crumble and so instead of attempting to construct some form of coherent counter argument, you resort to extracts from Pyramid's Book of Avoidance Catchphrases and churn out some of your classics like 'I have a right to an opinion'. I don't think I have ever witnessed you actually attempt to counter argue properly, you attempt it but as soon as someone makes a point that you find difficult to argue against, you give up and return to your wonderful world of avoidance techniques.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

See that's amusing because I'm definitely not the only one to have made the same point to you in the past, and you and most others are quite aware of this. Deny it all you want Pyramid, but you know you do it and pretending that you don't isn't going to change it.

Let's be honest here...the real reason isn't that you find them 'pointless', it's just that when someone confronts you with some reasoned, valid arguments you crumble and so instead of attempting to construct some form of coherent counter argument, you resort to extracts from Pyramid's Book of Avoidance Catchphrases and churn out some of your classics like 'I have a right to an opinion'. I don't think I have ever witnessed you actually attempt to counter argue properly, you attempt it but as soon as someone makes a point that you find difficult to argue against, you give up and return to your wonderful world of avoidance techniques.

Nah. I just find your posts boring and full of nonsense. You pay little heed to what others actually say a lot of the time - I'm simply returning your own behaviour.

Opinionate away till your wee heart is content. I still won't agree with you. That's ALSO my perogative.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nah. I just find your posts boring and full of nonsense. You pay little heed to what others actually say a lot of the time - I'm simply returning your own behaviour.

Opinionate away till your wee heart is content. I still won't agree with you. That's ALSO my perogative.

This has to be one of the most misinformed posts of the day

It's funny that you say that, considering every single argument you, or any other person ever presents me with, I attempt to deconstruct and counter argue with valid, reasoned and coherent points. There's occasions where I can't, but I don't then turn to avoidance techniques, I step back, admit I'm wrong and apologise. Why do it any other way? That's the entire point of debate, but if there ever comes a point where you're unable to justify your point, chances are you're wrong, or there are loopholes in what you're saying. It happens to most of us, it's just a case of whether you can admit it when it happens or not.

The amount of times I multi-quote your posts and scrutinise every part of your argument, only to receive a barrage of bypassing, regurgitated one-liners in return is unreal. I'm not the only one to experience this with you, and you are fully aware of that.

The reason you won't agree with me is because you're incapable of responding to valid points that destroy anything you've said. Again, that's not 'disagreeing', that's bypassing...and quitting. So yes, that...what I have just described, is your prerogative.

[Kizzy]

from what i can see, from the publics point of view she was happily married on monday...then on tuesday she and tim had been separated since before christmas, some could be excused for feeling confused by this.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

from what i can see, from the publics point of view she was happily married on monday...then on tuesday she and tim had been separated since before christmas, some could be excused for feeling confused by this.

Quite. And let's be honest here: she certainly went out of her way on CBB to give over the impression that she was a happily married woman, in love with her wonderful husband etc. She certainly went to great lengths to hide the fact that she was in fact, not happily married - nor even living happily.

Some of us on here sussed that out long ago.

Besides: some on here clearly aren't aware of her autobiography written not too long ago in which she revealed she was knocking about previously when she WAS in the throes of marriage.