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Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

What,I'm 20 years old,I live with other people in a house that wasn't covered by a valid TV licence so I contribute to that licence as do the others.

People have judgements and views on all sorts of issues that don't happen to them but I do pay part of the fee, not all, as there are 4 of us.

How am I not in the real life position of paying for a TV licence and how would that in any case negate my view of the TV licence.

I shouldn't have to answer this but yes,when I live in my own house I will pay the Licence if it still exists then in full.
I wish I had the courage not to but I will do so.

This thread is about what people thought of the BBC and the TV Licence fee.
Only one person has said they don't pay it,that is up to them.
I think most of your comments are valid but to assume and attempt to belittle me as to my knowledge on this matter,when clearly I know plenty and also as to whether I should even have a view as to paying it or not are certainly not valid comments and I take issue with them definately.

How do you contribute to it?

Do you and the others in your household divvy up how much each you put in to cover the cost Joey?

do you hand in £3 per month and say, "Here, that's my TV licence contribution this month"? I hate to say it, but I really have a feeling you don't.

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate*

Just caught up on this thread, been out all day, very interesting reading, good to read all the points if view.

I stand by my principles still and will continue to not pay the licence fee. In response to an earlier comment, I forget who by, if everyone did take my stance it would be a good thing, as it would effectively force a long overdue change and also prove that there are alternatives, not just having adverts either.

If everyone took that stance then the BBC would be in a mess temporarily but it could force long overdue change as you say and make it realise that it wasn't going to get the opportunity of wasting peoples money with no reference back to the people paying them either.

I was one of those who mentioned a point as to not paying forcing overdue change,it came from my Dad who said that had people not refused to comply with the poll tax it likely would not have got abolished in the form it was in.

Nothing wrong in standing by your principles Kate.history has many examples of where some laws have had to be broken to get better laws.

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How do you contribute to it?

Do you and the others in your household divvy up how much each you put in to cover the cost Joey?

do you hand in £3 per month and say, "Here, that's my TV licence contribution this month"? I hate to say it, but I really have a feeling you don't.

How dare you, that is insulting pyramid and I ask you to retract that.There are 4 of us and it's nothing to do with you in any case,however to be decent and answer your atrocious comment, we divide the cost by 4, and buy the new one when it expires.

All students are not wasters Pyramid and I take great insult at my integrity on a statement I have made on here being discounted without proof.
I am absolutely amazed at you for that comment and find it grossly offesnsive.

Kate! · 27-05-2012, 04:13 PM

I do actually take exception to that Pyramid, and I don't think I'm on.a par with a benefits cheat thank you, I worked all my adult life until I was made redundant and always paid all my rent and council tax... With the TV licence, its a moral stance not to pay it, and its my choice..Seems to me that anyone who says anything whatsoever on here that you don't agree with, you have to beat the life out of the subject, yoy have nitpicked everything Joey had to say on the subject and implied he was ill informed

and also have to have the last word. I don't feel that need myself so should you reply to this comment, I'm done.

I don't want to get into a slanging match with you, like a dog with a bone. Some of the things you say to people on here are insulting, wrapped up in fancy language. What you said to Joey.just was appalling.I'm quite sure you'll be furious I said this, but I'm tired of the sniping.

Fin.

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How do you contribute to it?

Do you and the others in your household divvy up how much each you put in to cover the cost Joey?

do you hand in £3 per month and say, "Here, that's my TV licence contribution this month"? I hate to say it, but I really have a feeling you don't.

Clearly you are not going to retract it so all I can say is that says more about you than it ever will me.

My Parents brought me up to do right but also to question as well,if something is wrong, doing nothing will only leave it wrong.

I am a very privileged Student,I know that because my Parents are seeing me all through it.

I am able to pay bills and other things thanks to my own efforts and their help, not all students are in my position,I share with 4 other students, you asked me a question re the TV Licence,I have told you I am insulted and feel massively wronged by your comment above.
It is highly offensive and totally uncalled for as well as being none of your business anyway.

Kindly retract it,I will not allow my integrity to be questioned even more so when I know I am 100% right.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

How dare you, that is insulting pyramid and I ask you to retract that.There are 4 of us and it's nothing to do with you in any case,however to be decent and answer your atrocious comment, we divide the cost by 4, and buy the new one when it expires.

All students are not wasters Pyramid and I take great insult at my integrity on a statement I have made on here being discounted without proof.
I am absolutely amazed at you for that comment and find it grossly offesnsive.

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Originally Posted by *Kate*

I do actually take exception to that Pyramid, and I don't think I'm on.a par with a benefits cheat thank you, I worked all my adult life until I was made redundant and always paid all my rent and council tax... With the TV licence, its a moral stance not to pay it, and its my choice..Seems to me that anyone who says anything whatsoever on here that you don't agree with, you have to beat the life out of the subject, yoy have nitpicked everything Joey had to say on the subject and implied he was ill informed

and also have to have the last word. I don't feel that need myself so should you reply to this comment, I'm done.

I don't want to get into a slanging match with you, like a dog with a bone. Some of the things you say to people on here are insulting, wrapped up in fancy language. What you said to Joey.just was appalling.I'm quite sure you'll be furious I said this, but I'm tired of the sniping.

Fin.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Clearly you are not going to retract it so all I can say is that says more about you than it ever will me.

My Parents brought me up to do right but also to question as well,if something is wrong, doing nothing will only leave it wrong.

I am a very privileged Student,I know that because my Parents are seeing me all through it.

I am able to pay bills and other things thanks to my own efforts and their help, not all students are in my position,I share with 4 other students, you asked me a question re the TV Licence,I have told you I am insulted and feel massively wronged by your comment above.
It is highly offensive and totally uncalled for as well as being none of your business anyway.

Kindly retract it,I will not allow my integrity to be questioned even more so when I know I am 100% right.

Hey it's as simple as this. I have my opinion - you may not like it but there is no need to go take umbrage.

If people chose to break the law and think it's fine.... where then should that stop?

Where is the benchmark of which laws we should and should not abide by?

Okay for some parts of the law to be broken when it suits: but not other parts? that's what this amounts to.

No need for all the 'oh that's so insulting, I take offence'. If people cannot enter a serious debate thread without realising that difference of opinion occurs - there really isn't any point in discussing it.

And Joey: perhaps you can address your comment about all students being wasters... I have never said such on thing on here. Perhaps walk away from taking this all so very personally and look at it objectively instead of subjectively.

It's about the whole debate - not just students you know.

MTVN · 27-05-2012, 04:42 PM

Maybe if people are finding themselves offended and insulted by your posts it might be a courtesy to re-examine them - I think you'll find plenty of other people can partake in a serious debate without causing the level of offence you have here

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate*

I do actually take exception to that Pyramid, and I don't think I'm on.a par with a benefits cheat thank you, I worked all my adult life until I was made redundant and always paid all my rent and council tax... With the TV licence, its a moral stance not to pay it, and its my choice..Seems to me that anyone who says anything whatsoever on here that you don't agree with, you have to beat the life out of the subject, yoy have nitpicked everything Joey had to say on the subject and implied he was ill informed

and also have to have the last word. I don't feel that need myself so should you reply to this comment, I'm done.

I don't want to get into a slanging match with you, like a dog with a bone. Some of the things you say to people on here are insulting, wrapped up in fancy language. What you said to Joey.just was appalling.I'm quite sure you'll be furious I said this, but I'm tired of the sniping.

Fin.

It is a discussion that you raised: you don't like the way it is going - well I don't apologise for that - but hey: if you can't accept people have opinions that don't match yours - regardles.... then that really isn't my issue Kate.

I suspect more people share my opinion on this than are posting, but don't want to seem 'unpopular' by voicing it. Either way: it's my opinion. I'm not the one breaking the law here.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Maybe if people are finding themselves offended and insulted by your posts it might be a courtesy to re-examine them - I think you'll find plenty of other people can partake in a serious debate without causing the level of offence you have here

Mabye if people are so thin skinned.... as you and other mods keep stating about 'other posters' when it suits: they perhaps shouldn't enter serious debates without accepting that others have as equally strong opinions MTVN.

Or are strong opinions only allowed when some mods and some posters are in agreement? Seems the case.

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hey it's as simple as this. I have my opinion - you may not like it but there is no need to go take umbrage.

If people chose to break the law and think it's fine.... where then should that stop?

Where is the benchmark of which laws we should and should not abide by?

Okay for some parts of the law to be broken when it suits: but not other parts? that's what this amounts to.

No need for all the 'oh that's so insulting, I take offence'. If people cannot enter a serious debate thread without realising that difference of opinion occurs - there really isn't any point in discussing it.

And Joey: perhaps you can address your comment about all students being wasters... I have never said such on thing on here. Perhaps walk away from taking this all so very personally and look at it objectively instead of subjectively.

It's about the whole debate - not just students you know.

Opinion is not calling into account the integrity as to a person saying they pay for somethting and then you insinuating they don't in your opinion.

I don't do that to anyone and do not expect it back, you have cast doubts in your personal opinion as my paying part of a TV Licence, if I have said I do and then you question I do, then you are calling me a ;iar and I will not take that from anyone.

If you are not going to retract it and are unable to see how offensive you have been then I am going to get it retracted,you are very wrong on this one and the fact you still stand by your opinion as to me and that issue then I have to protect my integrity.

I would always admit I was wrong and apologise too,I am the one offended,I have told you I am.It's not umbrage it's called respecting people.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Opinion is not calling into account the integrity as to a persons saying they pay for somehting and then you insinuating they don't in your opinion.

I don't do that to anyone and do not expect it back, you have cast doubts in your personal opinion as my paying part of a TV Licence, if I have said I do and then you question I do, then you are calling me a ;iar and I will not take that from anyone.

If you are not going to retract it and are unable to see how offensive you have been then I am going to get it retracted,you are very wrong on this one and the fact you still stand by your opinion as to me and that issue then I have to protect my integrity.

I would always admit I was wrong and apologise too,I am the one offended,I have told you I am.It's not umbrage it's called respecting people.

I don't have to question the integrity of people who knowingly and willingly acknoweledge that they happily break the law.

That's their choice - not mine.

I respect people's opinons Joey: that does not mean I have to respect they way they life at the cost to others. There is a huge difference.

Also I asked how you contribute to the TV licence - a question. I did not call you a liar so please do not pretend to read something that I did not say Joey. Thanks.

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I don't have to question the integrity of people who knowingly and willingly acknoweledge that they happily break the law.

That's their choice - not mine.

I don't break the law,what are you on about?? stop sidestepping the issue and deal with your comment that you doubt I pay anything to a due TV Lcence when I have told you I do and have.

What right have you to question my integrity and infer I am lying.This is ridiculous, in true debate you would not be allowed to call someone a liar.You said you doubted we payed for the Licence Pyramid, read your posts again.

Kizzy · 27-05-2012, 04:52 PM

Me and kate do...Cos we is rebels...

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How do you contribute to it?

Do you and the others in your household divvy up how much each you put in to cover the cost Joey?

do you hand in £3 per month and say, "Here, that's my TV licence contribution this month"? I hate to say it, but I really have a feeling you don't.

It's as clear as day to me you doubted we paid for a TV Licence.They are your words not mine Pyramid.

Kate! · 27-05-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

Me and kate do...Cos we is rebels...

Yes I break this law, I also steal grapes ..... Get the gallows ready, I'm such a bad ass.

Kizzy, pack your stuff, I'm coming to get you. We are going on the run.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't break the law,what are you on about?? stop sidestepping the issue and deal with your comment that you doubt I pay anything to a due TV Lcence when I have told you I do and have.

What right have you to question my integrity and infer I am lying.This is ridiculous, in true debate you would not be allowed to call someone a liar.You said you doubted we payed for the Licence Pyramid, read your posts again.

I didn't say you broke the law Joey. Read what I have written.

I ASKED you a few questions: one being .... when you have your own place and are responsible for paying a TV lic, will you refuse to pay it?

Stop making an issue out of things that are not said to you personally.

As Kizzy said: BOTH she and Kate admit that they don't pay it - and I have my opinion on those who don't.

I may understand their reasons for it: and I respect their reasons but that does not mean I have to respect the criminal action that is, in fact, taking place.

The concept between the person - and something they chose to do willingly - is very different.

If someone wishes to avoid paying something they are legally meant to pay: then they really have no reason to take offence when someone disagrees with that.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

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It's as clear as day to me you doubted we paid for a TV Licence.They are your words not mine Pyramid.

Yes... and?

You didn't answer the question.

I said I had a feeling you did not specifically add to the TV licence kitty. I said not one word about 'we'..... I asked if YOU specifically contribute to it. I have no doubts your parents buy it, none whatsoever.

That is a feeling...that is NOT calling you a liar.

Back to the other question I asked you abou when you ARE liable to pay the licence when you have your own place.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate*

Yes I break this law, I also steal grapes ..... Get the gallows ready, I'm such a bad ass.

Kizzy, pack your stuff, I'm coming to get you. We are going on the run.

You big ass criminal that you are. I hope this does not lead you down the path to utter ruination Kate.

Kizzy · 27-05-2012, 05:11 PM

Fundis on the run!

joeysteele · 27-05-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

How do you contribute to it?

[B]Do you and the others in your household divvy up how much each you put in to cover the cost Joey?

do you hand in £3 per month and say, "Here, that's my TV licence contribution this month"? I hate to say it, but I really have a feeling you don't.

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]Pyramid I am done with you on this one, read this post of yours again, you doubt we do and say you feel we dont pay for the TV Licence, if I and others with me don't pay the licence we break the law.

I am absolutely amazed at you on this,if you cannot see that I am offended and that you 'did' question my integrity as I had already stated we do pay for the Licence then that is in reality your problem not mine.

I take massive exception to the comment above, it does question my integrity, I have asked you to retract it but you then try to turn things as being my fault.

The comments above are pretty clear and they are yours no one elses and they are insulting and wrong to be placed on a public forum about any other member.

Oh and I even answered your question as when I am on my own in my own place although lord knows why I should have felt the need to.

Omah · 27-05-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The BBC do a fantastic job. Their documentaries are renowned across the world, and foreign countries respect the BBC news/World service far more than they trust their own news.

We should be extremely proud.

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Very good points there.

They do the most fab documentaries and as you rightly say: they are highly trusted the world over.

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love the fact there are no ads

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Originally Posted by Josy

I like the BBC and I also like the fact that they don't have ads.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It would be impossible to produce the quality of programming that they do, without us paying for it. They could run without it, of course they could, but it would be a catastrophe to have the BBC turn into an ITV clone. You may not appreciate all the documentaries that they make, as they're not for everyone.

We lose the BBC at our peril.

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Originally Posted by Redway

I'm very mixed on the BBC. I like the fact that they don't do adverts between television shows but the license fee thing really gets on my nerves. A lot of shows on the BBC are totally undeserving of money that's been difficult to get. It feels like paying for trash at times.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Depends. I don't watch any of the fluff programming they make. I watch most of their documentaries though, and believe me, there is no other company on earth that makes the same high quality programmes as the BBC. They are respected and admired across the world.

There should be some things that are above being sent into the market place to fight for existence. The BBC is one of them.

The BBC should be protected, and I'm glad they are.

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Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I really like the BEEB.

Good shows, good service imo.

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Originally Posted by Niall

I love the BBC. They're the only on thats pretty watchable out of ITV, C5, C4 and Sky1. They spend the money procured from licensing fees on quality documentaries, like Planet Earth, and Frozen Planet and all that. You also get all the programmes they air on BBC3 too. The documentaries that they put on there are actually really good most of the time. The reality shows they have are pretty damn good too (World's Strictest Parents, Blood Sweat and T-Shirts).

I mean if you removed the license fee and made them go commercial, then it'd probably degenerate into some trashy mess like ITV.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

The BBC are a fantastic broadcasting institution which we should all be proud of.

I quite like their liberal existence, and their balanced, fair and detailed coverage of news events. Their political programmes and coverage are top draw, better than any other channel's offering in the UK, as are their documentaries. There's a wide range of programming available to all kinds of ages and interests, far greater than any other organisation has to offer.

And the no ads are a bonus - although I prefer having no ads on BBC Radio channels (who wants to hear adverts whilst you're listening to something?), I think I actually prefer having adverts on the TV, but only from a 'I want a break to go and get something' point of view.

At the end of the day we should be very thankful we don't have yet another organisation owned by some vile media mogul like Rupert Murdoch. The BBC, along with the NHS, are one of the last few state-funded and publicly owned institutions and I believe it should remain that way. We're already far too down the road of privatising everything, let's not take that any further.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

No. Just no.

We should all be proud that we all pay into and effectively share an institution collectively, which can be enjoyed by not only everyone in the UK, but in many places around the world. An institution that has its content and programming as its main, primary focus, rather than yet another organisation owned by a Rupert Murdoch type only interested in profit and more importantly, shoving its own political allegiance down our throats.

God forbid that ever happens to the BBC. Just imagine it...The Sun TV. Or how about the UK's version of Fox News?

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Generally hold them in extremely high regard. Their news reporting is, for the most part, neutral and informative and without extremity or fearmongering (ITV, Sky, Fox...). Their programming is generally excellent too - there's a whole range of programmes I could complain about and often do (the majority of BBC3 shows, the soaps and all of the daytime antique crap).

I don't like the idea of paying towards the judges on the Voice but it's such a negligible amount and the available good-quality programmes sort of makes up for it. If you think about all of the Sir David Attenborough documentaries, uncountable comedy classics and their world coverage they're a far more valuable broadcaster than the others.

Lovin' your work, guys .....

As a fully paid-up licence-holder, I only ever watch BBC, never ITV, C4 & C5 infrequently and I cancelled all TV subscriptions (terrestrial, satellite or otherwise) years ago.

I refuse to watch any program with advertisements in and will find mechanisms to bypass advertising in programs containing same.

Pyramid* · 27-05-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

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]Pyramid I am done with you on this one, read this post of yours again, you doubt we do and say you feel we dont pay for the TV Licence, if I and others with me don't pay the licence we break the law.

I am absolutely amazed at you on this,if you cannot see that I am offended and that you 'did' question my integrity as I had already stated we do pay for the Licence then that is in reality your problem not mine.

I take massive exception to the comment above, it does question my integrity, I have asked you to retract it but you then try to turn things as being my fault.

The comments above are pretty clear and they are yours no one elses and they are insulting and wrong to be placed on a public forum about anyone..

I will say it again Joey.

I did not suggest in any way, shape or form: that the household in which you live does not pay for a tv lic.

I asked very specifically how YOU contribute towards it - I also asked if you would pay for it when you were in a position to.

Oddly enough: both of very crucial points Joey appear to have been side stepped, not by me: but by you.

surprising to be honest that you are reading into comments,things that I simply have not said.