[Kizzy]

Yep, sell off all nationalised business into mainly conservative hands... then what do you get?
Them pulling the strings and controlling the wealth whether in power or not.

[arista]

£3:30 is the Magic share price.


Sold

They may soon go up to £4

[arista]

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...atisation-live



Now at £4:50


Thats a mega jump UP



bliss

[MTVN]

Seems there's a lot more demand than they expected, pity they undervalued the shares slightly

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seems there's a lot more demand than they expected, pity they undervalued the shares slightly

But its a Open Market
you can never get it right.


So much Demand

[lostalex]

US Mail is still running even through the US government is shut down.... why? because the US Mail is not reliant on the government.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by lostalex

US Mail is still running even through the US government is shut down.... why? because the US Mail is not reliant on the government.

Hows your healthcare going?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Hows your healthcare going?

swimmingly. i'm not sick, what more could i ask for?

maybe you should ask some of those British families who have to go online and beg for money so they can come over to America and get treatments and operations that aren't provided by the NHS. ask them how their healthcare is going.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by lostalex

swimmingly. i'm not sick, what more could i ask for?

maybe you should ask some of those British families who have to go online and beg for money so they can come over to America and get treatments and operations that aren't provided by the NHS. ask them how their healthcare is going.

Yea that doesnt happen.

Whilst it is indisputable that the Americans have in some areas developed experimental treatments that arent available on the NHS, they all can be obtained privately in this country.

Nice to have the option of free healthcare though huh? Maybe one day when you call an ambulance in America they'll check your heart rate before they check your credit card.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Yea that doesnt happen.

Whilst it is indisputable that the Americans have in some areas developed experimental treatments that arent available on the NHS, they all can be obtained privately in this country.

Nice to have the option of free healthcare though huh? Maybe one day when you call an ambulance in America they'll check your heart rate before they check your credit card.

All Americans have healthcare, it is illegal in the US for anyone to be turned away from the emergency room for not having insurance. but also like Britain, not everyone as access to all kinds of treatment.

Also EMT's do check your heart rate right away, for everyone, no matter what insurance, or lack of you have. so again you are lying.

You obviously know nothing about American healthcare. Keep listening to the hyperbole, it's much more fun than the truth i guess. You don't need to actually think for yourself or reach your own conclusions, you can join a bandwagon. how convenient for you.

I do envy ignorant people, it must be easy to not have to think for yourself.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Yea that doesnt happen.

Whilst it is indisputable that the Americans have in some areas developed experimental treatments that arent available on the NHS, they all can be obtained privately in this country.

you are just lying now. i have seen plenty of docummentaries about British people having to come to America for treatment, and if you don't know about this, then it's just your own ignorance. America has the best healthcare in the world, if you can afford it.

[smudgie]

I was seriously thinking of buying some shares...would have made a nice profit.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I was seriously thinking of buying some shares...would have made a nice profit.

Yes but they sold out fast

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but they sold out fast

like star trek stamps.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you are just lying now. i have seen plenty of docummentaries about British people having to come to America for treatment, and if you don't know about this, then it's just your own ignorance. America has the best healthcare in the world, if you can afford it.

To be fair - although this is true - it's almost always for "experimental" treatment programs that are not yet fully proven, and it's more to do with the fact that high coverage US health insurance will often cover these treatments. private British healthcare plans probably WOULD cover experimental treatments, were they available in the UK, but it's simply not cost effective for the companies running these trials to do so in a country that doesn't have high private insurance levels to pay for it. generally these treatments do (eventually) make their way into standard healthcare once they have been fully proven.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair - although this is true - it's almost always for "experimental" treatment programs that are not yet fully proven, and it's more to do with the fact that high coverage US health insurance will often cover these treatments. private British healthcare plans probably WOULD cover experimental treatments, were they available in the UK, but it's simply not cost effective for the companies running these trials to do so in a country that doesn't have high private insurance levels to pay for it. generally these treatments do (eventually) make their way into standard healthcare once they have been fully proven.

exactly, so if it wasn't for Americas system, how many of these treatments would never be discovered? It's easy to criticize America's healthcare system, but the truth is that the whole world benefits from it.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by lostalex

exactly, so if it wasn't for Americas system, how many of these treatments would never be discovered? It's easy to criticize America's healthcare system, but the truth is that the whole world benefits from it.

I used to work for an American pharmaceutical company who would be in charge of running clinical trials from start to finish. One trial, In New Jersey, had to be abandoned because all of the volunteers started turning orange. So yes god bless America for having stupid people that sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the rest of the world.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I used to work for an American pharmaceutical company who would be in charge of running clinical trials from start to finish. One trial, In New Jersey, had to be abandoned because all of the volunteers started turning orange. So yes god bless America for having stupid people that sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the rest of the world.

you're welcome, jerk.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you're welcome, jerk.

Take a joke man, seriously

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Take a joke man, seriously

you sound like my recruiting officer who stuck a dry broomstick up my ass.

(jk that never happened)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by lostalex

exactly, so if it wasn't for Americas system, how many of these treatments would never be discovered? It's easy to criticize America's healthcare system, but the truth is that the whole world benefits from it.

As a byproduct at best, let's not pretend that the INTENTION of the system is altruistic. It's an organ grinding money machine that also does a hell of a lot of damage for pharmaceutical profit. Rampant, unwarranted vaccination programs; those ridiculous hospital "baby farms" designed to inhibit breastfeeding rates, massive over-prescription of meds, especially antibiotics and SSRI antidepressants. Good for profit, bad for people. It's a scary system.

[Verbal]

Back to the intended topic, this makes me rage like nothing else in recent history.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As a byproduct at best, let's not pretend that the INTENTION of the system is altruistic. It's an organ grinding money machine that also does a hell of a lot of damage for pharmaceutical profit. Rampant, unwarranted vaccination programs; those ridiculous hospital "baby farms" designed to inhibit breastfeeding rates, massive over-prescription of meds, especially antibiotics and SSRI antidepressants. Good for profit, bad for people. It's a scary system.

oh my cynical little soldier. i used to speak this way, many years ago.

you will one day see the world in a much broader light. and you will understand that we are no longer individuals in a system, we simply ARE a system. and you won't be sad about it anymore. The truth is we are just a species. individuality is for children. it's important to let children dream.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by lostalex

oh my cynical little soldier. i used to speak this way, many years ago.

you will one day see the world in a much broader light. and you will understand that we are no longer individuals in a system, we simply ARE a system. and you won't be sad about it anymore. The truth is we are just a species. individuality is for children. it's important to let children dream.

Oh I already understand it perfectly well, believe me, and I stopped being "sad" about it years ago... At this point I have little to zero concern for what the majority of the world's mindless plebs are willing to have done to themselves and their children.

But it also doesn't stop facts being facts, and that the US medical and pharmaceutical industries are in the business of causing deliberate low-level harm and willingly cause collateral damage in the pursuit of profit is just a fact. It's a problem in the UK too, with pharmaceutical kick-backs, but in the US its inherent to the entire system from the ground up. The ground-breaking treatments available in the US are available because US medical researchers are in the business of creating attractive - and expensive - products for a consumer market more motivated and willing to spend than any other; the severely and terminally ill.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The ground-breaking treatments available in the US are available because US medical researchers are in the business of creating attractive - and expensive - products for a consumer market more motivated and willing to spend than any other; the severely and terminally ill.

exactly. and just because we can't all go to the moon, doesn't mean that the moon missions were a waste. When you are pumping huge amounts of money into something, and pushing the edges of known science, it's not for everyone. It's not a fairground ride where everyone gets to have a turn. It benefits everyone in other ways though. It does contribute things to the wider world, but not on an individual level. Perspective is needed for these sorts of grand projects.