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Kizzy · 15-01-2014, 05:16 AM

No need to get all bent out of shape jet.
I can't support him due to his past, but others are more forgiving he may have changed he may not who knows?
His new squeeze is 24! thats a bit young for a 60yr old...:/

Ammi · 15-01-2014, 06:54 AM

..just putting the wife beating aside..(which I know is the topic..)..Jim is nothing that I personally admire in a person...and I think that what is annoying is that he's generalised as someone who was typical of his era which he is not at all...he was always a marmite person..yeah, I get that some people like/liked his humour and comedy style but equally a lot of people didn't and I personally never did...and that's fine because we don't all find the same things and comedians etc funny but the thing of 'of his time' type thing is just not so, anymore than you could say someone like Frankie Boyle for instance, represents today's humour...it's just his style of humour and some people like it and some people don't and there is no generalisation about it...it's all subjective to the individual person....

..but anyway, it wasn't from 'his time' when he was in Hell's kitchen and didn't show any change in his bigoted views...I guess it's interesting with the analogy to Chis Brown because people do have very fixed views about him and that would be hard to change them...he would have to do something for those views to be changed and that's just a natural thing that people do have personal things that they find abhorrent in someone, we all do...for me, Jim hasn't done anything in the house for me to change my opinion of him...I find his humour still quite sarcastic and personal...and it's just not really my thing..and I think he's extremely sexist, which again, Dappy was rightfully criticised for and I don't think it's any different for Jim or Lionel because for me, there is no 'age' that, that's expectable....

..anyway, I could go on but I won't..

...I will say one positive thing though..I don't personally think that Jim has shown any signs that he has changed at all, and that is a judgement of his time in the house..he's too contradictory, oh let's all live and let live/chill etc and then he'll throw something out there that's quite provocative to an argument and just walk away from it..but then he's not the only one to do that either...but if by being in the BB house and seeing his popularity etc does change him for the better as a person because he's encouraged by the support etc...then that's a good thing...but he still won't be funny..

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..as for the wife beating thing, well there are many, many people out there who have had issues with alcohol etc and had bad times in their lives and have still never raised a hand in violence to another person and especially someone who has had trust in you, so that really doesn't equate for me...there is absolutely no 'excuse' that makes that acceptable...but yeah, in the house, just generally not really that impressed with him...

thesheriff443 · 15-01-2014, 08:01 AM

we are taught that forgiveness makes us a better person!

do I trust jim? hell no!, do I find him amusing?, yes.

we laugh at someone when they hurt them selves!.

to ben, life's a funny old game!

sampvt · 15-01-2014, 09:32 AM

Why are people so consumed with Jims past. If memory serves me right, Nelson Mandela had a pretty chequered past and so did his wife Winnie. Are we to forget him now due to his past. I think not. Jim haters are just desperate to slag him off and his past is all they can see, its blinding them.

Slevin · 15-01-2014, 11:28 AM

i dont like Jim but im fine with people wanting to support him as a HM. i just cant.

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Why are people so consumed with Jims past. If memory serves me right, Nelson Mandela had a pretty chequered past and so did his wife Winnie. Are we to forget him now due to his past. I think not. Jim haters are just desperate to slag him off and his past is all they can see, its blinding them.

can say the same for the Luisa haters on here as well or anyone in a series that gets a lot of air time. even the smallest of things to nit pick.

Iceman · 15-01-2014, 09:36 AM

Ive read through all this and all I can see is people saying look at his past...look at his past....move thw **** on...he hasnt personally done anything to anyone here....

sampvt · 15-01-2014, 10:35 AM

People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

Ammi · 15-01-2014, 12:31 PM

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People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

..it wasn't a slap though, not even close to being a slap, and I also would applaud anyone who had done something similar but then reassessed their lives/behaviour and shown a change but even after many years, he showed no change in another reality TV show and so far for me, he hasn't shown that he has changed in the BB house..I'm sure that others will see anything he does differently to how I do but then I guess that we all look for different things in the housemates we support and have different reasons for supporting them etc...

Niamh. · 15-01-2014, 01:52 PM

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People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

arista · 15-01-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

Yes he did not get on with that one
He now has a Younger Lady

So thats all in the past.

jet · 15-01-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

I personally think that a man who could do those things to the mother of his children has an intrinsically nasty nature that can maybe be curbed, but not changed. Not to mention his self confessed chauvinism, his 'past' homophobia and racism etc.
However, I can understand that some want to give him the benefit of the doubt and that is fine.
What I don’t get is the over – the – top support for him and how to some he can do no wrong in the house. I have seen him being snide, manipulative and two faced yet his supporters never see this – as I said in another thread:

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His unpopularity in the house is Linda's fault, Luisa's fault, Jasmine's fault, Lionel's fault. It's a lack of sleep, it's the noise etc etc etc.
Nothing is ever Jim's fault. He is never responsible for the way others perceive him. Everything they do is wrong and he is always right.
Poor Jim.

He is being made out as some kind of poor saintly victim. For a man with his history it’s quite incomprehensible to a lot of people that he isn’t just given the benefit of the doubt but is admired and applauded for what exactly? – keeping his temper under control and not lashing out at someone? What a changed man!
It’s not as if he is even that likeable – he’s miserable and not very entertaining. The other HM’s obviously aren’t keen on him as they have nearly all nominated him. So what is making people support him so passionately and part with their hard earned money to vote for him?

It’s puzzling for sure.

MeMyselfAndI · 15-01-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

omg thats awful! Proves Luisa's instincts are yet again spot on

Videostar · 15-01-2014, 07:38 PM

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omg thats awful! Proves Luisa's instincts are yet again spot on

Because she did all that to her ex husband...joke.

HD · 15-01-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Slap? :

BEAT her regularly, leaving her black and blue and bloodstained.

KICKED her down a flight of stairs in a drunken rage.

SMASHED up their flat while wearing full Army combat uniform.

SLAMMED a weight-lifting bar- bell into her ribs.

THREW her out of their car miles from home.

I didn't know that.

Disgusting.

Rachael1904 · 15-01-2014, 08:21 PM

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I didn't know that.

Disgusting.

It is disgusting and I have never warmed to JD until he came into the CBB house and now I really like him. And considering his past it's an uncomfortable feeling but I do enjoy watching him!

Niamh. · 15-01-2014, 10:39 AM

I think as far as situations in the house occurred, i think he's handled himself well, he's walked away from confrontation and people blatantly trying to get a rise out of him (Jasmine and Linda spring to mind) I hope it's a way he's learned to deal with his temper and that he's changed who he was. That being said I would never support him to win because of his past.

15-01-2014, 11:09 AM

This thread title fits perfectly into the Nelly Furtado "Maneater" song.

And that's all I gots to say about that.

bez87 · 15-01-2014, 11:51 AM

he's such a two faced lying man, is there support for him honestly??? he is horrid, i mean he knew about lee and jasmine in that toilet no doubt about it, but to casey he didn't say nothing or warn her, he plays one game with one person and later on he tells the other person the complete opposite, he's so two faced and grumpy it's untrue, i hope he leaves

Niamh. · 15-01-2014, 11:53 AM

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he's such a two faced lying man, is there support for him honestly??? he is horrid, i mean he knew about lee and jasmine in that toilet no doubt about it, but to casey he didn't say nothing or warn her, he plays one game with one person and later on he tells the other person the complete opposite, he's so two faced and grumpy it's untrue, i hope he leaves

in his defense there though maybe he didn't want to be the one to hurt her feelings or maybe he just wanted no involvement in the triangle saga?

joeysteele · 15-01-2014, 12:19 PM

I didn't want to comment on this thread because I do understand the total opposites as to opinions there are as to Jim and aI have said a fair bit already as to him.
I feel however I want to answer for my part as to Jim and the sort of question put as to why I don't mind being seen as supporting him so far in the house and voting to keep him in.

I do believe that people can change and need to be given the chance to change, if they do set out to change their behaviour then I give some credit to that.
I cannot say I liked Jim Davidson that much before he went in the house, I like some of his comedy and am not keen on most of it.
I had to make a conscious effort as I do with near all housemates, to judge him solely on what he is like as a housemate.

This thread title really ought to read he 'was' a wife beater.I haven't heard of any more incidents as to the one reported a good while ago now.
I have read bits about that period of his life and of course totally deplore what he did,I doubt anyone would not.
However, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors with lots of people, we could in ignorance of having no knowledge, be praising people and celebs who are really as bad or even worse than Jim was.

He is in a new marriage now, he seems happy enough as does his current family do too. He sought help for his problems and maybe they have succeeded.
True, he is grumpy, that isn't in itself a crime, he doesn't like some people so makes put down comments as to them, that is not a crime either.
I don't like Cheryl Cole for example,I have my direct reasons for that and if around her, I would be far from pleasant as to her or about her, every chance I get I would make a put down comment as to her,does that make me a bad and grumpy person, not eligible to be liked.
I would say it didn't in any way.
While in a CBB house,if she ever were to go in,I would initially see how she acted there.

Jim is,in my view, being himself in the house, it may well be he has learned to control the nastier elements as to getting physical with anyone but like all of them he has the right to be disgruntled and miserable if he so wishes with those and the things that go on in the house.I likely would too.
The most miserable in there is Linda,I don't like her because she went in there,in my opinion, with an agenda if Jim was in the house too, to provoke him.
I gave her the benefit of the doubt but she showed her true colours, by 'not' taking Jim aside to say he had upset her and then saying so to the other women in there and allowing him to be pulled up in front of them, for me that showed her nasty, devious and vindictive side.
She was first to do that, not him.
I also think had Jim not been there she would have had to get at someone else too to play the victim as her Sister did near all her series.

As a housemate,(while never condoning in any way any past rotten behaviour), I have found Jim to be entertaining.
Far more than most and certainly better than the boring,epic running nonsense of the love triangle.
So as a housemate, he has made me warm to him,far from my own thoughts as to him before he went in.
I have seen little from him that he has done that is really bad in the house at all.
That is what I am judging him on now and that is what I try to do all the time.

Such as,I had a dread of Frankie Cocoza going in the house after his reputation on X factor and other things outside the house.
Again with him,I found him to be a really good housemate too as I find Jim to be.

If we believe people are incapable of change, then there would be little point in anyone trying to change.
The Kitchen show has been mentioned, on that, Jim certainly could not control his temper or hold back on his tongue when he needed to as well.
His time in the BB house is a big contrast to that show and as to his control of his temper etc;.
I give him credit for that and that is why I will vote to keep him in, why I am enjoying most of his actions as a housemate and even why I wouldn't begrudge him winning it either.

He isn't someone I would likely get along with myself but I don't need to, I am watching a show and he isn't doing any great wrong in it.
I said this elsewhere, he has had allegations made against him for over a year now and those serious allegations have been dropped and there is, it is reported, no action going to be taken.
Things like that can make you think and change and reflect on your life,it may well be he is using this BB as a way to try to mend some of his bad reputation and from all that has been seen so far, other than his grumpiness,I have to say the temper and really vile insults have not been apparant at all.
For that too, I give him credit as to his time in CBB.
At any rate 'so far'.