[MB.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

The only relevant part of this post

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't believe her.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Achilles

It is ALWAYS wrong to bully? It can't be, because Helen is being supported and she is a nasty bully.

People are entitled to support who they want to.

I'm lucky enough to be able to understand that there's a reason for Helen's behaviour, she is a very sad human being that struggles to live in an adult world effectively, she does feel threatened by other people which is why she goes into gobby mode, the language she uses is acceptable within her friendship circle, i've never heard of anyone being called a slug or a wasp so maybe it's an area thing, and Helen would be my nightmare, but she is not Satan and Ashleigh is not an Angel they are people.

I was bullied as an adult in the work place, everytime by a woman, but i look back at those times and know it was them with the problem not me, they felt threatened by me.

I hasten to add that i always had the last laugh

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, some people aren't of the "one or the other" mindset.

You don't need to exonerate Helen in order to see Ashleigh's bitter/negative/manipulative self. A lot of her fans however just support her simply because she's not Helen.

Oh, and she's 18 we can't forget that.

No I totally believe, along with many, that our favourites have been supported fom the first time they were up for eviction. Mine has been Chris and I have supported him from day 2 or 3. I loved the way that the friendships blossomed with Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, they were there for each other when all else failed. This is a lot of reasoning behind Ashleigh's popularity. Nothing to do with the fact she isnt Helen. I do not mind any of these three winning but, as it is a game, good luck to the winner. No sour grapes.

Helen is only getting support now from past HMs raking up their grievances, it will possbly work but one of the best things to come out of the house is with positive vibes from the public. After all they have a lifetime before them and those HMs who care need a good inner peace.

I have never said that Helen cant win and I downed Winston for telling her that, nothing is impossible but it is the votes on Friday which will determine the winner and possibly not the bookies?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jules2

No I totally believe that our favourites have been supported fom the first time they were up for eviction. Mine has been Chris and I have supported him from day 2 or 3. I loved the way that the friendships blossomed with Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris, they were there for each other when all else failed. This is a lot of reasoning behind Ashleigh's popularity. Nothing to do with the fact she isnt Helen. I do not mind any of these three winning but, as it is a game, good luck to the winner. No sour grapes.

Helen is only getting support now from past HMs raking up their grievances, it will possbly work but one of the best things to come out of the house is with positive vibes from the public. After all they have a lifetime before them and those HMs who care need a good inner peace.

Thanks for that largely irrelevant story.

BIB - I think a rewatch might be in order.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

Helen has a lying streak, but you don't see me claiming she made up having a son or that she doesn't actually come from Bolton. Some people really are desperate

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't believe her.

Believe or care?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

I do believe i used the word probably, which would indicate i am making an assumption, everything else i have mentioned i have read via links or from BB, oh and just so you know a suicide is what it takes to be disowned from your family.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Believe or care?

Why would I care about her being bullied at school? I don't know her, I never went to school with her, she's now an adult no longer in school? I don't see your point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Helen has a lying streak, but you don't see me claiming she made up having a son or that she doesn't actually come from Bolton. Some people really are desperate

Well you see the obvious existence of an actual person, actually being in the papers as a Bolton woman years before BB and her accent are actual proof of such obvious things.

Saying "I was bullied at school" is something anyone could say. Dexter was a "sugar daddy" remember?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

People are entitled to support who they want to.

I'm lucky enough to be able to understand that there's a reason for Helen's behaviour, she is a very sad human being that struggles to live in an adult world effectively, she does feel threatened by other people which is why she goes into gobby mode, the language she uses is acceptable within her friendship circle, i've never heard of anyone being called a slug or a wasp so maybe it's an area thing, and Helen would be my nightmare, but she is not Satan and Ashleigh is not an Angel they are people.

I was bullied as an adult in the work place, everytime by a woman, but i look back at those times and know it was them with the problem not me, they felt threatened by me.

I hasten to add that i always had the last laugh

Aw Ruby I sympathise with you but the last laugh isnt always the best laugh. There are many of us who can see the reason for each HMs behaviour, many of us have been through trials and tribulations but to be rewarded with a vast amount of money isnt really the way forward imo. We are all on a learning curb and the money could be to say well done your behaviour was impeccable. What a HM gains in one way that HM risks losing in another and respect is a great reward to own. Money, whilst a good energy, does not always fill a need for acceptance. Once it is gone what is there left if one has lost their self respect?

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

Ashleigh: I think I am partly responsible but not solely responsible for the divide. Mature answer. Honest.
Helen: ME? I not done anything wrong. Immature answer. Liar.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

I have asked you 3 times to clarify this for me. Can you please refer me to where Ashleigh has said she was bullied at school. If you are going to repeatedly say it, please support it

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh: I think I am partly responsible but not solely responsible for the divide. Mature answer. Honest.
Helen: ME? I not done anything wrong. Immature answer. Liar.

Not relevant to my post.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why would I care about her being bullied at school? I don't know her, I never went to school with her, she's now an adult no longer in school? I don't see your point.

Not sure why you would care? Better to support the bully right?

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well you see the obvious existence of an actual person, actually being in the papers as a Bolton woman years before BB and her accent are actual proof of such obvious things.

Could be faking it

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Aw Ruby I sympathise with you but the last laugh isnt always the best laugh. There are many of us who can see the reason for each HMs behaviour, many of us have been through trials and tribulations but to be rewarded with a vast amount of money isnt really the way forward imo. We are all on a learning curb and the money could be to say well done your behaviour was impeccable. What a HM gains in one way that HM risks losing in another and respect is a great reward to own. Money, whilst a good energy to own, does not always fill a need for acceptance.

It was for me!!!

The assistant manager ended up divorcing her husband and going bankrupt, before having a nervous breakdown, a supervisor was made redundant and couldn't get another job due to her age, and another manager was shut down by the health authorities.......karmas a bitch but i live her!

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh: I think I am partly responsible but not solely responsible for the divide. Mature answer. Honest.
Helen: ME? I not done anything wrong. Immature answer. Liar.

Well said Ashleigh, you deserve to win.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Not sure why you would care? Better to support the bully right?

No, don't put words in my mouth with your second question, stick to the actual subject of the first. Why should I care about something that may or may not have happened years ago to a person I don't know? That goes for Ashleigh and any of the other 18 housemates.

Nice attempt to twist my words into something they're not. Try harder next time.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Could be faking it

Yeah, she could. But whether she comes from Bolton or not is largely irrelevant to the show/storyline isn't it?

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, don't put words in my mouth with your second question, stick to the actual subject of the first. Why should I care about something that may or may not have happened years ago to a person I don't know? That goes for Ashleigh and any of the other 18 housemates.

Nice attempt to twist my words into something they're not. Try harder next time.

I didn't twist your words I quoted what you said.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

I didn't twist your words I quoted what you said.

You brought Helen into my comment about Ashleigh when it was largely irrelevant. None of the housemates have anything to do with whether or not I believe some random comment that may or may not have happened in her past.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Thanks for that largely irrelevant story.

BIB - I think a rewatch might be in order.

Did I put it in the wrong place then We all discuss things many without giving a reason or an explanation as to why we feel the way we do. These are my reasons. What is a rewatch? I thought this was a forum for us to give our opinions?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

Now you know what she was like her entire life? Now you presume to know what her parents were like?



They're middle class, they couldn't have been bad parents. That's impossible!

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You brought Helen into my comment about Ashleigh when it was largely irrelevant. None of the housemates have anything to do with whether or not I believe some random comment that may or may not have happened in her past.

You're confusing yourself. Trying to worm your way out of one quote train onto another