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Livia · 06-03-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think there are very many Muslim printers over here tbqh, I work in a business that deal with alot of printers around the country for the last 15 years and so far I haven't come across one

But let's say hypothetically that there was. And there will be at some point.... would it be wrong for him to refuse to print wedding invitations for a gay couple based on his strong religious beliefs, even though he'd served them with other things previously?

Niamh. · 06-03-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

But let's say hypothetically that there was. And there will be at some point.... would it be wrong for him to refuse to print wedding invitations for a gay couple based on his strong religious beliefs, even though he'd served them with other things previously?

Of course it would. Why would I make an exception for Muslims?

Tom4784 · 05-03-2015, 05:12 PM

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

Iceman · 05-03-2015, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

T* · 05-03-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

Crimson Dynamo · 05-03-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

quite right

they are using their interpretation of a book they think gives them some sort of status in life to hate on others

Jessica. · 05-03-2015, 05:30 PM

bwoty is hard to say

Crimson Dynamo · 05-03-2015, 07:25 PM

Marsh. · 05-03-2015, 07:26 PM

Why is he marrying his dad?

Crimson Dynamo · 05-03-2015, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why is he marrying his dad?

stephen fry teas

Glenn. · 05-03-2015, 08:49 PM

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We, at Beulah Print, are Bible-believing Christians who are committed to standing by our conscience and God’s Word.

“We have never hidden our faith from our customers and represent the gospel at every opportunity. We are not against homosexuals however, we do not support same sex marriage, which printing wedding invitations would do.

“We believe the love of God is extended to all people and that He has called us all to walk in the light of His word, for He is the way, the truth and the life.”

Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

Tom4784 · 05-03-2015, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

T* · 05-03-2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

T* · 05-03-2015, 08:53 PM

this is disgusting
i can't believe this is being defended by people going 'they're just sticking to their religion, thats all!!!!1' when if this happened to someone because, say, their skin colour or nationality there would be more massive outrage

Kyle · 05-03-2015, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom!

this is disgusting
i can't believe this is being defended by people going 'they're just sticking to their religion, thats all!!!!1' when if this happened to someone because, say, their skin colour or nationality there would be more massive outrage

The Confederacy pointed to the bible to justify slavery. These will know doubt have justified themselves in a similar way.

Hiding behind 'sincerely held religious beliefs' doesn't wash for me as an excuse to discriminate.

Glenn. · 05-03-2015, 09:00 PM

I've just read the first few pages of this and I can't believe people are defending it.

the truth · 05-03-2015, 09:44 PM

who gives a sh*t if he doesn't want to , its up to him , end of chat

Niamh. · 05-03-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth

who gives a sh*t if he doesn't want to , its up to him , end of chat

Not if he's breaking the law......

Nedusa · 05-03-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not if he's breaking the law......

You keep saying it's against the law but to be honest the law is unenforceable because as this story proves , we have choice and our choices may be based on prejudices or even illegal prejudices but they are our choices none the less.

So this printer has the choice to decide who he gives this work to, and he can base that decision on any reasoning or set of wierd prejudices he sees fit, it is entirely up to him. He is giving out this work therefore he gets to decide.

Simple as that....... End of debate

Niamh. · 05-03-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

You keep saying it's against the law but to be honest the law is unenforceable because as this story proves , we have choice and our choices may be based on prejudices or even illegal prejudices but they are our choices none the less.

So this printer has the choice to decide who he gives this work to, and he can base that decision on any reasoning or set of wierd prejudices he sees fit, it is entirely up to him. He is giving out this work therefore he gets to decide.

Simple as that....... End of debate

but it is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation. I posted the wording of the law a few posts back

Nedusa · 05-03-2015, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

but it is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation. I posted the wording of the law a few posts back

Oh my God...... I know I agree the law is there and it is trying to stop assholes like this man discriminating in this case on the grounds of sexual orientation. But as I said it is unenforceable as this mans reasons for giving out this work are based on his own personal reasoning however warped that may be.

As this man stated his reasons for not giving out this work then for this reason the law may be able to be applied and this Printer may be shown the red card.

Ps - Niamh why are you still working , must be a very long day for you