[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Reaching a bit here Niamh... I was referring to the established churches in Ireland at the moment, I'm not discussing hypothetical religion.

Not really, if the precedent is set for people to discriminate as long as they're part of a religion, what's to stop people from starting up religions with any "rules" they want?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

[Cherie]

If it goes against his Christian beliefs why should he be forced into it, we can't have "freedom of speech and expression" if only one side is heard, just go somewhere else and stop creating a drama out of it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nivia Printers, I like it

And Nivia means snow white in Latin, which is pretty. Well, Nivea, but it's close.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

Yes exactly. I bet you wont see britain first moaning about this.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

So this guy is a homophobe because he want to follow his Christian beliefs, what does that make the gay couple then?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

Public perception.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

Originally Posted by Chaos

if this was the case, it wouldn't even reach the media/social websites etc etc

the main reason people are so bothered about it is because they can bitch about christians

Oh come on, we had a story here just yesterday about a gay man being thrown off a roof for being gay........ I haven't actually heard a story similar to this one in Ireland, if I did I would post about that too

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

And Nivia means snow white in Latin, which is pretty. Well, Nivea, but it's close.

Snow White Printers?

do they do discounts on the letter K if used 3 times?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And Nivia means snow white in Latin, which is pretty. Well, Nivea, but it's close.

Oh that's racist we're out of business already

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh come on, we had a story here just yesterday about a gay man being thrown off a roof for being gay........ I haven't actually heard a story similar to this one in Ireland, if I did I would post about that too

We're not talking about throwing people off roofs, we're talking about a service being refused and the perception of people's religious beliefs being valid or invalid.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Snow White Printers?

do they do discounts on the letter K if used 3 times?

No, no discounts. And no cheques or credit.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Oh for goodness sake get off your Politically correct high horse...

People make choices what they do... and if they don't want to give work to someone for whatever reason that is their choice

Plain and simple

Enough of the bigotry nonsense

Whatever twisted perception anyone has is of no concern to me, this relates to religion, political correctness does come into it as here politics and religion clash...
As much as I an against religion if that's how someone lives their life I'm for that, not sure if you noticed that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh that's racist we're out of business already

LOL... I was thinking of the fairy tale, honest I was.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So this guy is a homophobe because he want to follow his Christian beliefs, what does that make the gay couple then?

Yes, everyone who feels an aversion to homosexuality is homophobic, I don't believe homophobia is a strong word though, there are all kinds of homophobes and I'm sure most don't vocalise their dislike so that doesn't bother me as long as nobody is being discriminated.

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not talking about throwing people off roofs, we're talking about a service being refused and the perception of people's religious beliefs being valid or invalid.



No, no discounts. And no cheques or credit.

Ok, that's the only story I've heard recently though with regards to Muslims and gay people and it's a hell of alot worse than this one here

If there was a story similar to this one but with a Muslim business I would also post it :P I imagine there's a hell of a lot less Muslim run printers in Ireland then there are Christian ones though so i wouldn't hold my breath!

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Chaos

if this was the case, it wouldn't even reach the media/social websites etc etc

the main reason people are so bothered about it is because they can bitch about christians

A homosexual is denied a service on the single basis of a persons personal beliefs that their sexuality is 'wrong' and you somehow flip this into an attack on Christians.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not really, if the precedent is set for people to discriminate as long as they're part of a religion, what's to stop people from starting up religions with any "rules" they want?

It wouldn't be part of a long standing religious doctrine stretching back through generations and written thousands of years ago.
Anything with views like this wouldn't get off the ground in the modern day.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok, that's the only story I've heard recently though with regards to Muslims and gay people and it's a hell of alot worse than this one here

If there was a story similar to this one but with a Muslim business I would also post it :P I imagine there's a hell of a lot less Muslim run printers in Ireland then there are Christian ones though so i wouldn't hold my breath!

Look, if I'm not winning this argument, I insist on wrestling for it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It wouldn't be part of a long standing religious doctrine stretching back through generations and written thousands of years ago.
Anything with views like this wouldn't get off the ground in the modern day.

Exactly.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Look, if I'm not winning this argument, I insist on wrestling for it.

Why did my brain automatically turn that into an image of mud wrestling?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Look, if I'm not winning this argument, I insist on wrestling for it.

no -scared-

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yes, everyone who feels an aversion to homosexuality is homophobic, I don't believe homophobia is a strong word though, there are all kinds of homophobes and I'm sure most don't vocalise their dislike so that doesn't bother me as long as nobody is being discriminated.

But they are following the teaching of their religion, it doesn't automatically follow that they have negative attitudes to gays! Just that perhaps they like to stick to the code laid down by their religion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Why did my brain automatically turn that into an image of mud wrestling?

It's all this gay talk Jess, messing with your mind. 10 Hail Marys and an Our father

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Back then the tabernacle was basically a pop-up church, silly.

Emphasis on "back then..."

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whatever twisted perception anyone has is of no concern to me, this relates to religion, political correctness does come into it as here politics and religion clash...
As much as I an against religion if that's how someone lives their life I'm for that, not sure if you noticed that.

Yes.....I know that

I guess what I'm saying is although I don't agree with the Printer's reasons for not giving work to this person, I have to accept that the printer has the final say in who he gives work to and if through some outdated misguided religious dogma he feels unable to associate with Gay people then that is his problem.

But to try and publicize and call for his business to be ruined or for him to face some kind of legal redress for holding these religious views is also wrong.

You cannot force someone to take an unfamiliar or alien view only educate them so they realise their traditional view is unfair,unjust and has no place in the modern World.