[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Leanne Wood for sure.

What the **** are you all on.. nigel farage. lmao. is this the annual kkk meetup?

ah youre just after a milf lol

[Kizzy]

Rules are like promises, made to be broken. Cameron should be more able than most to identify with that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Rules are like promises, made to be broken. Cameron should be more able than most to identify with that.

Not in a 2 Hour Important Debate

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Not in a 2 Hour Important Debate

Important being the operative word. She wanted answers and reassurances that the country would be safe, and was there in front of the most powerful people in the country.. It's an opportunity that would most likely never happen again.
And she spoke, as is her right.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Important being the operative word. She wanted answers and reassurances that the country would be safe, and was there in front of the most powerful people in the country.. It's an opportunity that would most likely never happen again.
And she spoke, as is her right.

But Kizzy she had No Mic
it does not work

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

But Kizzy she had No Mic
it does not work

I heard her ok, and as Joey said more debates would have been an excellent idea, maybe they could have incorporated more freeform debate?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Not in a 2 Hour Important Debate

Then he should have agreed to do more debates to possibly do so and then be challenged on same.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She wouldn't have Cherie to be fair, the SNP wanted to remain part of the EU or join it if they couldn't at the point of independence.

I myself really believe in the 18 monthns to 2 year period before independence was in force for Scotland that the Eu would have accommodated them and fasttracked them as members too.

In fact it was the UK that as a memebr of the EU had Scotland left the UK, who maybe should have been forced to look at its EU status,after all without Scotland the United Kingdom is no longer in fact the United Kingdom at all.

It is SNP policy to be in the EU, the SNP wants Scotland to remain in the EU, hence why with 3 other Nations as part of the UK, I think she had a valid point as to that all Nations of the UK should agree to leaving the EU via a referendum and not just have the South of England in the main dictate to the whole of the rest of the UK.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I agree it was just one of the scare tactics used to ensure a no for some that Scotland would be forced out of the EU if they gained independence.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-eu-membership

I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

Well the SNP has been able to do that as to tuition fees and prescription charges because they are doing so well as a Scottish parliament.
Our govts; chose not to do those things here but how a great many wish they would.

If she could influence and bring that about, then for me the sooner we have the SNP in support for a UK govt; the better.
They don;t have to get into westminster they are already there,they have 6 MPs at present.
Also in 1979,the Conservative party was glad they were there too because they voted with the Conservatives to bring down the Callaghan Labour govt; in the Conservative party's motion of no confidence in that govt;

The SNP have been in Westminster for decades now and in my view if the Scots elect 20 or especially far more than that of them in May, then they have every right to be involved in govt; if they are prepared to support a party in govt; to ensure stability of UK govt:

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Then he should have agreed to do more debates to possibly do so and then be challenged on same.

You are talking Rubbish



He is doing a QT solo.

on the same night Nick and ED solo

30th of April. BBC1HD


The PM may still go on Ch5HD Wright Stuff
Blair went on that and a Women got out of her chair
to attack him

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

You are talking Rubbish



He is doing a QT solo.

on the same night Nick and ED solo

30th of April. BBC1HD


The PM may still go on Ch5HD Wright Stuff
Blair went on that and a Women got out of her chair
to attack him

It makes perfect sense to me too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

You are talking Rubbish



He is doing a QT solo.

on the same night Nick and ED solo

30th of April. BBC1HD


The PM may still go on Ch5HD Wright Stuff
Blair went on that and a Women got out of her chair
to attack him

No one is talking rubbish people are saying what they think arista.

The QT programme is not a debate where other leaders could challenge directly each other on what they say, and you know fine well it isn't too.

He,and 'only he' wouldn't do any more leaders debates as you also well know.

[Kizzy]

I agree it was just one of the scare tactics used to ensure a no for some that Scotland would be forced out of the EU if they gained independence.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-eu-membership

[Kizzy]

You could say that about many MPs, that they are only interested in the south or wherever they're based.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You could say that about many MPs, that they are only interested in the south or wherever they're based.

Most don't want to break up the UK

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Most don't want to break up the UK

Some do in the Zone
Kizzy Lives

[Pete.]

Nick Clegg - 0%

Lol

[Kizzy]

I doubt it too, in fact I thought she hinted at a link to Labour last night as she said Miliband needed someone to sort him out or words to that effect.

[Cherie]

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

Do Labour supporters have double standards Joey? All adverse reportage concerning Farage and UKIP is 1,000% accurate and truthful and worthy of spreading - no matter how wildly preposterous - yet any media article which is negative about Labour - no matter from which sources - is 'malignant' falsehood.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Do Labour supporters have double standards Joey? All adverse reportage concerning Farage and UKIP is 1,000% accurate and truthful and worthy of spreading - no matter how wildly preposterous - yet any media article which is negative about Labour - no matter from which sources - is 'malignant' falsehood.

Excuse me, I have never been a supporter of personal attacks on anyone, even politicians, I amy not like their politics but I nver resort to making personal attacks on them, even David Cameron who I cannot stand as a politician but I am sure he is a loyal friend and good husband and father.

Papers like the Telegraph, the Mail and the Sun are hamering Miliband in particular really disgracefully,just because they don't want him to win.
I would never support such a stance from supposedly educated grown up people who work in those publications.
Nor do I support it in the mirror against Cameron either

I have never attacked personally Nigel Farage either, that was unfair of you to make a cheap shot at that as to me.

Now one of those papers are saying Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain, that is ridiculous.
I consider UKIP as a party dangerous for the UK only in the sense I don't truts them 'as a party' and because I don't agree with leaving the EU, it is policy I disagree with,I consider leaving the EU as disastrous for the UK, it is a policy issue not a personal one.
I think a govt; with the Cosnervatives and UKIP would lead to a probablt exit from the EU,that si waht I consider dangerous, again, 'note',only on policy.
I have also condemned strongly the attacks on Nigel Farage on the thread made as to him being out with his family.
If you bothered to read that you would see I did too.
I doubt many who dislike Miliband could say the same as I can as to personal attacks on Nigel Farage.

I have,as I said earlier no problem with the press stating who they would prefer to win elections but I get appalled at some of the rotten insults thrown at Miliband personally and in the case of the Mail to his dead father too.

No double standards at all from me that I can see and quite frankly I am surprised you addressed that to myself too.
There are those however who hate the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and rightly so, who do however then relish and join in the personal and insulting jibes at how Miliband looks and talks and even eats.
Now that is more like double standards in my view but kindly refrain from saying I do double standards.

I have condemned the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and to his family as much as any UKIP supporter, and I am certainly not ,and never likely will be,a UKIP supporter.
Some however who who hate Labour , would be hard pressed to be able to say the same as to Miliband as I can concerning myself as to Nigel Farage.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

Thanks Joey, very insightful post.