[Josiah.]

I personally feel like the conversation in this thread has gone a bit too far.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You don't have to be gay to have a wash LT.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No but why do you have to wash in a Turkish bath so often?

They have the best soaps.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They have the best soaps.

They don't even have Emmerdale?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They have the best soaps.

And the very best Delights.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

Basically there's a very messy situation with a guy in my year.

There's this guy in my year who was discovered to be Bisexual on the site tinder. However he doesn't know that everyone knows.

However, it surfaced that he'd previously 'came out' to one of my good friends anyway. The guy who is bi acts homophobic all the time, and I was saying to my friend that this made me lose respect for him as there's just no need.

My friend however said its ok because it's a defence mechanism. I was trying to say there shouldn't need to be any 'defence mechanism' yet my friends thinks that almost everyone is homophobic to a degree which I think is nonsense.

I personally don't believe homophobia should ever be condoned, especially in this situation.

considering he was just trying to fit in and protect himself it is acceptable.

You can only blame the straight people that created the homophobic environment where he felt like he had to be homophobic in order to not be abused.

If straight people were not homophobic around him would he have ever been homophobic? no. he's definitely a victim of his environment. it's not fair to blame a gay/bi person for homophobia that already existed.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by lostalex

considering he was just trying to fit in and protect himself it is acceptable.

You can only blame the straight people that created the homophobic environment where he felt like he had to be homophobic in order to not be abused.

If straight people were not homophobic around him would he have ever been homophobic? no. he's definitely a victim of his environment. it's not fair to blame a gay/bi person for homophobia that already existed.

The thing is though, I don't think our community is very homophobic. We're very diverse and accepting tbh - we had an openly gay person in our school last year.

Personally, I think he probably has homophobic parents - that's where this stuff normally comes from.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If you seriously sit and think about both our journeys Joey, we are so much alike.

You were a Conservative supporter Joey, then your subsequent direct life experiences of how the poor, sick and vulnerable are being hurt by the policies of the very party you support, completely reshaped your political persuasion, and because you are a very passionate person and 'wear your heart on your sleeve', your posts - while always objective and valid - sometimes become 'heated'.

I was a staunch Labour supporter, then my subsequent direct life experiences of how Labour policies afforded the scumbags in this country and others newly immigrant to it, to abuse, milk, and defraud the very systems put in place to benefit the genuine needy, completely reshaped my political persuasion. Again, because I am a very passionate person who also wears his heart on his sleeve, my posts, which I try to ensure are always objective and valid, can sometimes also be inflammatory.

I genuinely respect you Joey, and admire your knowledge of politics, and though we are to all intents and purposes on opposite sides of the political divide, I do not believe that we are so different, and I genuinely believe that neither of us are motivated by anything other than a desire to secure what is best for our families and the people of this great country. And I DO genuinely believe, that for all its faults and its sometimes dubious and shameful history, this IS the greatest country in the world.

If I could take the best of Labour policies, the best of Conservative, and - yes - the best of UKIP policies, and produce one sensible, genuine political party who said what they meant, meant what they said, who actually delivered on their Manifesto Pledges and eradicated ALL the many social injustices in the UK under the present system - I would give them my vote forever. If only.

Until then, you have my promise, that I will never again become so involved in a SD thread, that I jeopordise our mutual respect for each other, or the friendship we had at the beginning.

Nice one, it is actually my thinking too.

Add to it a consensus from parties that no discrimination is tolerated and no demonization of any section of UK society then that could be at last a governing force that would be worthy of full and absolute respect and support.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nice one, it is actually my thinking too.

Add to it a consensus from parties that no discrimination is tolerated and no demonization of any section of UK society then that could be at last a governing force that would be worthy of full and absolute respect and support.

'If Only' eh Joey?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'If Only' eh Joey?

If only indeed and after chaos looming from the constant changing of parties in govt over the last century or more and them still searching for the answers to the endless questions left as to their failures.

One could be forgiven for thinking grown men and women seeking to serve in power would have realised that better way by now.

Rather than set out determined to create division where really no division should even be.

[Mystic Mock]

If you don't like a gay person then that's perfectly acceptable as you can't like everyone.

But I don't hold up with disliking a gay person and throwing homophobic insults at them, surely you can say other stuff about them than just their sexuality?

[Ammi]

..no I don't think homophobia is ever acceptable or ever should be...there may be some understanding for why he's homophobic or why he could be, hownow...and whether homophobia, racism or any prejudice...understanding is good and important in the changing of mindets, for those it's possible to be changed...but that doesn't make it any more acceptable because it doesn't take away the prejudice deflected on and felt by others ...I mean, if we were to understand a bully and why they bully and they may have themselves been bullied..?..it still wouldn't change the effect of their bullying on their victims.../so never acceptable...

[Mystic Mock]

And to add my own two cents into this "everyone is a bit homophobic" topic, I honestly have never had a homophobic thought in my life, it's just something that's never scared me tbh.

The main thing that I've always been wary off is Islam, I know it sounds bad to single out one Religion (especially as I've had friends that follow that Religion too) but it's always been the main group that causes the most problems in the world since I've been alive.

I don't know if it's necessarily a prejudice on my part or not, but it's definitely the closest to any prejudice that I think I've got when it comes to minority groups in this country.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nice one, it is actually my thinking too.

Add to it a consensus from parties that no discrimination is tolerated and no demonization of any section of UK society then that could be at last a governing force that would be worthy of full and absolute respect and support.

See i would love to support a party like this but one who is tougher on immigration and serious on defence and all for Trident remaining while ever nuclear weapons exist.Unfortunately there is nobody who is anti-austerity and social injustice but also supports the things i feel are important as stated above.
Tories are too harsh on the average person,Labour are too left wing and Lib Dems don't know what they stand for so for me least worst option is currently UKIP.If Labour had Andy Burnham or Chuka i would have very close to supporting them if they had maybe toughened up slightly on immigration.

[Ninastar]

Is homophobia ever acceptable?

Spoiler:

no

[Johnnyuk123]

Yet another Simon Cowell hate thread. Ok he wears his trousers way too high and has a harem of women to hide his real sexuality but who actually cares? So what if Louie Walsh is his life partner and Sinita is his house cleaner. Why would you care?