[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You said it brother - and if anything it's an UNDERSTATEMENT.

How comes a lot of these 'Trans - whatever' wait until they are virtual OAP's before coming out of the closet?

And worse still; how comes a lot of them father multiple children whilst living for decades as 'family' men and loving 'husbands'?

Worse still, why do they have to publicise their 'transformations', thereby causing the maximum shame, enbarrassment and upset for their POOR children and partners?

Don't these 'poor unfortunates' realise how cruel other people can be to their families?

Like Kellie Maloney wanting the respect and privacy to complete her transition and settle into her new life....... you know, by going on Celebrity Big Brother and selling magazine interviews.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You said it brother - and if anything it's an UNDERSTATEMENT.

How comes a lot of these 'Trans - whatever' wait until they are virtual OAP's before coming out of the closet?

And worse still; how comes a lot of them father multiple children whilst living for decades as 'family' men and loving 'husbands'?

Worse still, why do they have to publicise their 'transformations', thereby causing the maximum shame, enbarrassment and upset for their POOR children and partners?

Don't these 'poor unfortunates' realise how cruel other people can be to their families?

A lot of Trans people are confused about their feelings, and many of them probably bury how they truely feel, especially since its only very recently become a lot more accepted, and the reason it is more accepted is because you have these well known celebrities going public about it.

However, they should take into account that if they have children, it is possible those children will be bullied for it, so if they do have children, they perhaps shouldn't overpublicise it all. Also, I have no sympath for trans people who completely abandon their family, just because they're changing, it is no excuse for abandoning your family. Yes, some of the family will give them a hard time, but given time, issues will be sorted, if they throw in the towel and run off to start a new life, they will be hated.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chewdolph

A lot of Trans people are confused about their feelings, and many of them probably bury how they truely feel, especially since its only very recently become a lot more accepted, and the reason it is more accepted is because you have these well known celebrities going public about it.

However, they should take into account that if they have children, it is possible those children will be bullied for it, so if they do have children, they perhaps shouldn't overpublicise it all. Also, I have no sympath for trans people who completely abandon their family, just because they're changing, it is no excuse for abandoning your family. Yes, some of the family will give them a hard time, but given time, issues will be sorted, if they throw in the towel and run off to start a new life, they will be hated.

It's very easy though for us to pass judgement on people when we haven't spent a day in their shoes, we don't know what it's truly like so I can't judge these people for their choices. It seems inherently wrong to abandon your family to me, but it may be justified depending on the situation.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It's very easy though for us to pass judgement on people when we haven't spent a day in their shoes, we don't know what it's truly like so I can't judge these people for their choices. It seems inherently wrong to abandon your family to me, but it may be justified depending on the situation.

"Justified" I feel would be the wrong choice of term.

Understandable or explainable to some degree, but definitely not "just".

"Just" makes him another deadbeat dad. Putting himself before the people he brought into the world.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

^^

What about the creepy couple who have 'adopted' him/her???

Is the father having sex with the trans 'girl'??

Is his wife?

What sort of threesome is it??

It gets more peculiar the more I think about it.

I saw this in the comment section

No one seems to be mentioning that Stefonknee is in a sexual relationship with her "adopted parents." She went into explicit detail about sex with her "adoptive father" in an interview with The Heart radio show, season one, episode nine. It's very disturbing but worth it to know exactly the kind of person we're dealing with here.

How embarrassing for his wife and kids

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by RichardG

I saw this in the comment section





How embarrassing for his wife and kids

Yet we need to respect this moronic pervert guys.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RichardG

I saw this in the comment section





How embarrassing for his wife and kids

Just your normal 6 year old girl

[lostalex]

but according to trans people, babies don't even have a gender right? they say you don't know your gender until you are old enough to think for yourself and decide for yourself. they say we shouldn't presume anyone is any gender until they are old enough to tell you. right?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but according to trans people, babies don't even have a gender right? they say you don't know your gender until you are old enough to think for yourself and decide for yourself. they say we shouldn't presume anyone is any gender until they are old enough to tell you. right?

I think thats just generally tumblr.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but according to trans people, babies don't even have a gender right? they say you don't know your gender until you are old enough to think for yourself and decide for yourself. they say we shouldn't presume anyone is any gender until they are old enough to tell you. right?

What a load of ****e.

[JoshBB]

I think that while this is odd on surface, it is quite understandable. Often transgender people feel that they have missed out on their childhood and so possibly this is a psychological problem that she wants to act as a child so that she can get what she has missed out on. Hopefully someone can help her. I don't think it's fair that we laugh at someone like this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think that while this is odd on surface, it is quite understandable. Often transgender people feel that they have missed out on their childhood and so possibly this is a psychological problem that she wants to act as a child so that she can get what she has missed out on. Hopefully someone can help her. I don't think it's fair that we laugh at someone like this.

But as a parent you learn not to be so self centred and selfish.

Once you get to that age and rack up so much life experience, you're supposed to have the maturity to grow up, get over it and realise there is much more to life than yourself.

People like this man need psychological help if ill, otherwise a kick up the arse.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But as a parent you learn not to be so self centred and selfish.

Once you get to that age and rack up so much life experience, you're supposed to have the maturity to grow up, get over it and realise there is much more to life than yourself.

People like this man need psychological help if ill, otherwise a kick up the arse.

First of all, can we please use female pronouns.

Secondly, I agree it appears selfish on surface but again, I haven't ever been in the situation of a transgender person transitioning so I can't imagine what that must be like. We can try our best to sympathise but will likely not truly understand, and for that reason I'm not going to pass judgement on them.

But yeah the acting like a 6-year-old child thing is something she should probably see a psychologist about, because that's not something that could be considered mentally healthy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

First of all, can we please use female pronouns.

Don't even try to get PC with me.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Don't even try to get PC with me.

It's not PC to use someone's correct pronouns, it's rude and transphobic. If you'd like me to start referring to you as "she" to demonstrate my point I will.

[lostalex]

i'm a gay man, and i've known since i was around 5 our 6... and i've never been bullied for being gay. ever. i've never been called a ****** to my face, i've never been bullied for being gay, and i've never had to kick anyone's ass.

It wasn't hard.

Some people just want the drama though.

[Niamh.]

This part of article :

“To me, ‘stop being trans’ isn’t something I could do,” she says. “It would be like telling me to stop being 6ft 2 or leave.”

Yet "stop being 46" is perfectly doable?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

This part of article :

“To me, ‘stop being trans’ isn’t something I could do,” she says. “It would be like telling me to stop being 6ft 2 or leave.”

Yet "stop being 46" is perfectly doable?

Exactly.

Those eye bags aren't fooling anyone mister.

[Jake.]

I wish mum and dad would stop arguing

[Marsh.]

[DemolitionRed]

One thing she can be sure of is, she's not alone. It seems there are thousands of them out there. They have their own communities, their own clubs and their own networking groups. Lots of women are doing this too, in fact its more common amongst adult women that it is amongst adult men.

I think bringing something like this into mainstream society isn't ever going to go down well though. People won't understand and can't be expected to understand. At least keeping it within the confines of her own groups, she was assured acceptance.

I remember chatting to a female age player some years ago and asking her why she was like she is. This is a woman who had two different ages plus her adult self, depending on where she was and what mood she was in. She told me that she had a wonderful childhood and considered she had fantastic parents but as she grew up and was expected to join adult society, she found it alien and often a lonely place. She told me, her adult child was just an expression of the happy child within, that for her it was just about re-visiting a place in time when she felt very safe.

[Marsh.]

Age player?

Bloody burn them! BURN THEM ALL!

[Marsh.]

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

...don't worry, I annoy myself sometimes..(most of the time..)..and I certainly annoy my family/friends because I overthink things so much and your thought process, which is a perfectly good one, could be the right and only one to think about with this..?..because, it's based on fact and the fact that the children have been left without a parent because of that's parent's choices...I guess that mine is more based on, possibilities of there not being any choices or her feelings of there not being any choices through her life because she knew that who she was would never be accepted and so at one point, tried to take her own life in her unhappiness...that also would have resulted in her children losing their parent but there would have been an unhappy life lost as well, at least this way, she has a chance of some happiness in her future...but the result to them is the same, they've lost a parent...what value though, is an unhappy parent, someone who is not living as who they are, something that would never have been accepted in choosing a life with her family as an alternative..would she have added to their lives in any way that would have meant something positive to them..?..these are all things that we don't know, so hypothetical really and your thoughts are based on what is from the perspective of her family so I totally respect those thoughts...and we only go on our own life experiences as well and mine are through working in schools for many years, and experiencing knowledge of many complicated family situations etc..

..I just don't know with this one tbh Marsh...you read, a parent has left their family...I read someone who has lived their life or tried to within an environment of intolerance and that in itself would make them never be able to be the parent that their children needed...the same story, many truths but just different focuses of the words and story really...

[Ammi]

..what I will say and just picking up on a previous post from Josh I think it was...?...with the 'no compassion'..?..I think that you have much compassion, Marsh...you very much have compassion and great thought for this family, which is very, very admirable...