[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't understand the pettiness.

It's a big fraud. This is a part of our society that is corrupt and anyone who thinks its okay is deluded. This is exactly the sort of thing that puts millions of Brits into financial slavery. It sickens me. problem is: why doesn't it sicken everyone? are some people so divorced from reality they can't see the obvious.

There are elements in every part of society that are corrupt, there are people who illegally claim benefits, there are people who have work done and pay cash, there are people who are self employed who have two sets of books, anyone with a spare few thousand and a good accountant can squirrel money offshore, its not a privilege of the very rich, and its nothing new, I think we need to turn our attention to third world countries like Africa where 30% of the countrys wealth is held offshore, yet their people are starving and dying of malaria and other preventable diseases, that is more of a scandal in my eyes

http://www.africanews.com/2016/01/18...ffshore-oxfam/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There are elements in every part of society that are corrupt, there are people who illegally claim benefits, there are people who have work done and pay cash, there are people who are self employed who have two sets of books, anyone with a spare few thousand and a good accountant can squirrel money offshore, its not a privilege of the very rich, and its nothing new, I think we need to turn our attention to third world countries like Africa where 30% of the countrys wealth is held offshore, yet their people are starving and dying of malaria and other preventable diseases, that is more of a scandal in my eyes

http://www.africanews.com/2016/01/18...ffshore-oxfam/

Have to agree with you there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There are elements in every part of society that are corrupt, there are people who illegally claim benefits, there are people who have work done and pay cash, there are people who are self employed who have two sets of books, anyone with a spare few thousand and a good accountant can squirrel money offshore, its not a privilege of the very rich, and its nothing new, I think we need to turn our attention to third world countries like Africa where 30% of the countrys wealth is held offshore, yet their people are starving and dying of malaria and other preventable diseases, that is more of a scandal in my eyes

http://www.africanews.com/2016/01/18...ffshore-oxfam/

Cant add to this Cherie,well said , I am sure most of us would be accountable for something.

[joeysteele]

No one should be able to avoid or evade paying any recognised due taxes to the UK, nothing should be legal as to that.

Anything that brings to light how it occurs, should be seen as helpful in stamping it out.

I certainly could not get away with just not paying even Ł10 of any due taxes I was expected to pay and neither should anyone else, company or individual.
No matter their individual status or how small or how large they may be either as a Company.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No one should be able to avoid or evade paying any recognised due taxes to the UK, nothing should be legal as to that.

Anything that brings to light how it occurs, should be seen as helpful in stamping it out.

I certainly could not get away with just not paying even Ł10 of any due taxes I was expected to pay and neither should any anyone else, company or individual.
No matter their individual status or how small or how large they may be either as a Company.

Thankyou Joey the voice of reason at last! thank you.
How are benefit fraudsters and those who work cash in hand treated? They are demonised in the press and made subjects of damning TV exposes, so if this behaviour is replicated further up the food chain why would the response be any different?

We are not Africa, or China or Outer Mongolia, we need not turn our attention anywhere but keep our focus trained on our democracy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thankyou Joey the voice of reason at last! thank you.
How are benefit fraudsters and those who work cash in hand treated? They are demonised in the press and made subjects of damning TV exposes, so if this behaviour is replicated further up the food chain why would the response be any different?

We are not Africa, or China or Outer Mongolia, we need not turn our attention anywhere but keep our focus trained on our democracy.

And those up the food chain are demonised as well, Google and Starbucks being two that come to mind, legal loopholes have been found to avoid tax which must be closed. No we are not Africa but we prop them up don't we?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And those up the food chain are demonised as well, Google and Starbucks being two that come to mind, legal loopholes have been found to avoid tax which must be closed. No we are not Africa but we prop them up don't we?

And?... either both are or neither if there is to be an equal footing here.
How do we prop up Africa and how is that connected to tax avoidance? I don't understand the link between those two issues.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And?... either both are or neither if there is to be an equal footing here.
How do we prop up Africa and how is that connected to tax avoidance? I don't understand the link between those two issues.

Have you read the link?, 14 billion in taxes lost every year would we need to pay as much Foreign aid or charity if they paid up?

[DemolitionRed]

According to Wikileaks the panama papers were supported by USAID and Soros. Whilst Soros comes as no surprise, why would a USAID do this?

[Kizzy]

And more trickles out....

David Cameron personally intervened to prevent EU transparency rules affecting offshore tax trusts despite warnings it could create a loophole for tax dodgers, it has emerged.

The Prime Minister sent a letter that successfully argued for trusts to be treated differently from companies in anti-money laundering rules.

Mr Cameron wrote to the then-European Council president Herman van Rompuy, claiming that it was "clearly important we recognise the important differences between companies and trusts".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6972311.html

[DemolitionRed]

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
Fredric Bastiat

[Kizzy]

'David Cameron has admitted he did have a profitable stake in his father’s offshore investment fund, before selling it for around Ł30,000 before he became Prime Minister.

The admission comes five days after a huge cache of documents were leaked – dubbed the Panama Papers – detailing the tax affairs of thousands of individuals of worldwide. The Prime Minister’s father, Ian Cameron, who passed away in 2010, was exposed as running a fund under the name of Blairmore Holdings in the papers.

Downing Street staffers initially said that it was a “private matter” whether or not Mr Cameron had benefitted from the fund. It later issued a series of statements denying the Prime Minister currently benefitted from offshore funds, or stood to do so in the future. Though, despite the clarifications, a number of questions still remained. '

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6973586.html

[Kizzy]

David Cameron is a man with a reputation seemingly made of titanium. Really, who does this guy have to piss off to merit serious calls for his resignation? Considering it’s just been revealed that he did actually have a stake in his father’s offshore investment fund, the lack of outrage is astonishing.

He annoyed steel workers, migrants, those on benefits, students, the disabled, the working class, the unions and women ages ago. But it's OK – those people don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

Then he came for the middle classes, which was a bit of a shocker. The Prime Minister has presided over four junior doctors’ strikes; forced teachers into debating industrial action over plans to turn schools into academies; and angered solicitors over cuts to legal aid.'

Excellent article


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6973631.html

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

David Cameron is a man with a reputation seemingly made of titanium. Really, who does this guy have to piss off to merit serious calls for his resignation? Considering it’s just been revealed that he did actually have a stake in his father’s offshore investment fund, the lack of outrage is astonishing.

He annoyed steel workers, migrants, those on benefits, students, the disabled, the working class, the unions and women ages ago. But it's OK – those people don’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

Then he came for the middle classes, which was a bit of a shocker. The Prime Minister has presided over four junior doctors’ strikes; forced teachers into debating industrial action over plans to turn schools into academies; and angered solicitors over cuts to legal aid.'

Excellent article


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6973631.html

Its an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves.

Sad isn't it? I'm wondering if they've put something in the water... this level of socio-political ennui is unprecedented!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sad isn't it? I'm wondering if they've put something in the water... this level of socio-political ennui is unprecedented!

I certainly believe its depression with people who are really at the bottom. They either become depressed or they tolerate things so it doesn't consume them, but the 'middle class' are more likely getting high on the shiny fruits of capitalism so they don't really notice or have much interest in what's going on because they wrongly believe it doesn't affects them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves.

I have to agree with this. I find it shocking that people are actually defending those twats.

These tax dodgers are a part of the reason why things like working tax credits and benefits for the disabled are under threat. Those who cannot afford to pay are being made to do so because these stupidly rich ***** can't be bothered to pay their dues like the rest of us.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;8600254]vIts an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves. [/QUOTE


The nation isn't angry because everyone can emphasise with trying to pay as little tax as possible

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sad isn't it? I'm wondering if they've put something in the water... this level of socio-political ennui is unprecedented!

As above, there are so many scroungers and tax avoiders at all levels of society it's hard to get worked up over a particular section

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have to agree with this. I find it shocking that people are actually defending those twats.

These taxe dodgers are a part of the reason why things like working tax credits and benefits for the disabled are under threat. Those who cannot afford to pay are being made to do so because these stupidly rich ***** can't be bothered to pay their dues like the rest of us.

As above there are plenty people at all levels willing to ride on the coat tails of others.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have to agree with this. I find it shocking that people are actually defending those twats.

These taxe dodgers are a part of the reason why things like working tax credits and benefits for the disabled are under threat. Those who cannot afford to pay are being made to do so because these stupidly rich ***** can't be bothered to pay their dues like the rest of us.

I agree with DemRed too, really it is beyond defending these people who avoid or evade any due taxation.

No way should it be possible and it is way overdue as to really clamping down hard on those who do.
As you rightly point out, these people are part of the reason the sick and disabled and most vulnerable are having to face cuts.

Although the main reason for that is the cruel political choice of this particular govt,who could have gone down other paths rather than the one of discriminating against,attacking and abusing in the main the sick and disabled.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its an article that relates to how I feel. I'm not depressed about this, I'm angry but I'm angry because, as Kirsty Major states: "why isn't the entire nation angry?". One has to be innately submissive if they can't accept the political reality of what's happened here. How can anyone just accept this and worse... become defenders of these upper class thieves.

[Kizzy]

The onus has been on the lower end of the spectrum for so long it may have been a nice change for the angry mob to wave a pitchfork or two at some other demographic but...no, it hasn't happened, in fact they're pitied ...naw, just trying to make an extra million who would begrudge them that?!
Pfffft.

[Tom4784]

People on benefits are the devil yet we're perfectly fine with people richer than God robbing the state blind.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People on benefits are the devil yet we're perfectly fine with people richer than God robbing the state blind.

Who are you attributing that to? No one on this thread has said it

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Who are you attributing that to? No one on this thread has said it

General attitude of the nation, dear. I'd bet some people here would certainly be grabbing their pitchforks if this thread was about 'Benefit cheats' though.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

General attitude of the nation, dear. I'd bet some people here would certainly be grabbing their pitchforks if this thread was about Benefit cheats though.

Got your crystal ball out have you pet?