[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

[JoshBB]

Violence is wrong in all forms, however I do understand that if someone hits you for no reason, you're likely to want to do it back. I don't think gender plays a role in this really, so long as proportionate force is used (if someone slapped you in the face it obviously wouldn't be reasonable to stamp on their neck for example lol), then I don't really blame the guy. Just don't start fights with anyone. Use ur words.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I doubt they are trained to do that so although I agree the way he restrained her could have caused serious injury, I would sympahise more with him than her, if she had prosecuted.

I think there are alot of aggressive woman around, like this woman, and they really need to make sure they keep their hands to themselves, Not every man is a 'gentleman' and would treat them gently.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable and incredibly disrespectful. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

Yeah like I said it's not about the fact that he responds, so much as the potential outcome, which maybe he wasn't aware of. A blow to the back of the head like that could cause serious damage instantly, and then it's over for everyone, including him, as he'd probably be up for manslaughter.

If he'd grabbed her arms and pinned her etc. that would have been quite a reasonable response but doing something that could so easily kill, not so much. I guess look at it this way: would you consider his response to the situation reasonable or justifiable if he'd grabbed her and pushed her in front of a moving bus?

[the truth]

she was demanding a weapon too....she was hysterical and violent. women need to stop being so violent

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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...I agree about the media focus on this, the way his size is being referred to because the level of aggression is equally relevant ...she may be physically much smaller than him but she looks as though she's 'lost control' with her anger and aggression...which makes her very capable of hurting him ...someone made a omment in the vid that he could have walked away...which he could have..but she had already used a 'weapon' to hit him and had asked for something more dangerous...so if he turned his back to wal away, he could have been hit by the scooter or whatever it was that she asked for....his control seemed to be there through it all...which I think is quite admirable....even after being physically attacked the first time by someone who was obviously beyond any reasoning...he still tried to 'ward off' and de-mobilise, rather than attack...ok, maybe sweeping her feet away wasn't the best thought out thing...but who of us would always think of 'the best thought out thing', wwhen faced with an out of control person who is intent on physically hurting us....I think tht he tried his best to not use physical force, to not use 'his burly weight' as the media described but just to lay her on the ground where she wouldn't be a threat...I doubt that there are many people who would have done that..so I think a big focus should be how fortunate she was as well, that it was him and not someone else who she lost control with....


...anyways, her poor children..that's how beyond reason she was, that her only focus was to physically harm the guy....

[Livia]

There's such a divide between men and women when it comes to people's reaction to their violent behaviour. People are saying the women should have been restrained... mostly for her own safety. That's not the first reaction when a man gets violent. And also, women are not all tiny, frail creatures. Some are bigger and stronger than some men. Just as some men are slight and physically weak.

Violence is that last resort of the idiotic.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

There's such a divide between men and women when it comes to people's reaction to their violent behaviour. People are saying the women should have been restrained... mostly for her own safety. That's not the first reaction when a man gets violent. And also, women are not all tiny, frail creatures. Some are bigger and stronger than some men. Just as some men are slight and physically weak.

Violence is that last resort of the idiotic.

amen...tbh i see zero difference between violence whether its from a man or a woman, its wrong. if any copper didnt take a male domestic violence report serious that man should report that copper. anyone can injure , maim or kill anyone else...sometimes with fists or with kicks or with a knife or bash to the head, all violence is wrong and a tiny woman can kill a big man. so what if the majority of men are slightly stronger, it comes down to the nature of the person.

[hot2go]

If a man hits a woman she shud remember he has to sleep at some point after....if a women hits a man then he should leave her...both should report it.....unfare that society makes it hard for men to retaliate to abuse from women....

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was brought up that you never hit a woman and that is what I will be teaching smallest boy LT

apart from his sisters who deserve a clump as they wind him up so much

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I was brought up that you never hit a woman and that is what I will be teaching smallest boy LT

apart from his sisters who deserve a clump as they wind him up so much

I was brought up with that as well. It would have been a very rare event indeed for a woman to get violent toward a man in those times. The same can't be said now.

[jennyjuniper]

If a woman hits a man then she shouldn't be suprised if he hits/thumps her back. If he didn't the woman could take that as a free pass to hit him whenever she chose.
I think it was someone on this site who gave a great quote.
'Men stopped acting like gentlemen when women stopped acting like ladies'.

[Vicky.]

I think if a woman hits a bloke he is well within his rights to hit her back

I believe in equality

However in an ideal world, noone would be hitting anyone else.

[Jack_]

welp not me missing this thread because I had Serious Debates excluded from New Posts for some reason

Violence is never justifiable unless in self-defence and this applies to both sexes. If you hit someone, expect them to retaliate. And quite frankly trying to protect women and pretend they're this frail and vulnerable group of people which must never be touched is extremely patronising and condescending.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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This sums it up for me. WHilst both are wrong and he is clearly drunk

Yes she is hitting him but he can easily take her slaps and naturally should have walked away.

When he retaliates he could have killed her. Disgusting from him. As a man he should have walked away
No one will tell me he had any right to hit her. Utterly shocking

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I was brought up that you never hit a woman and that is what I will be teaching smallest boy LT

apart from his sisters who deserve a clump as they wind him up so much

i hope you teach the girls not to hit too

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

i hope you teach the girls not to hit too

Indeed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

i hope you teach the girls not to hit too

my girls would never

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

my girls would never

i just find it strange you say you teach your boy not to hit but you dont say you teach your girls not to hit?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

i just find it strange you say you teach your boy not to hit but you dont say you teach your girls not to hit?

not really

boys due to testosterone are more likely to be involved with fighting per se and being well brought up girls I do not expect them ever to be involved with hitting men as that tends to belong to the feral under classes who end up on Jeremy kYLE

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not really

boys due to testosterone are more likely to be involved with fighting per se and being well brought up girls I do not expect them ever to be involved with hitting men as that tends to belong to the feral under classes who end up on Jeremy kYLE

So your daughters never hit anyone as little kids? All kids do that and that's when you teach them hitting is wrong

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not really

boys due to testosterone are more likely to be involved with fighting per se and being well brought up girls I do not expect them ever to be involved with hitting men as that tends to belong to the feral under classes who end up on Jeremy kYLE

thats totally sexist. you should teach your girls not to hit too

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats totally sexist. you should teach your girls not to hit too