[Liberty4eva]

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That bus attendant looked to have handled that very calmly.He did'nt hit her he just tapped her legs to put her down and restrain her.I mean i've seen bouncers carry people out of clubs after they've knocked them clean out.People are ridiculous.Nobody was just gonna stand there and let the woman punch them and swing objects at them.That was definitely reasonable force.

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I doubt they are trained to do that so although I agree the way he restrained her could have caused serious injury, I would sympahise more with him than her, if she had prosecuted.

I think there are alot of aggressive woman around, like this woman, and they really need to make sure they keep their hands to themselves, Not every man is a 'gentleman' and would treat them gently.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In two minds about this. Obviously she's... err... a "special" sort of lady to be physically attacking people while her kids watch on, and I agree that the staff should have been well within their rights to restrain her...

However... sweeping someone's legs from behind and pushing them backwards onto concrete could legitimately, and easily, cause a serious head injury or death.

He's like 4 times her size and there are multiple members of staff present, they could quite easily have safely restrained her until police arrived. I suppose maybe the guy doesn't know how badly that could have gone, but in my opinion, it was beyond reasonable force. I also think it was hugely unprofessional, as I strongly suspect he did it because she was pissing him off and not because he felt in any way at genuine risk and in need of defending himself.

(Again this isn't a gender issue, I'd be saying the same if it was a [...small...] man in the video)

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable and incredibly disrespectful. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think it is just as much a question about dignity as it is about whether or not force was reasonable. What the woman was doing was unreasonable. I'm a big guy myself and if someone smaller than me started hitting me, I can tell you that I would respond. I doubt I would pound her to the ground but it would be something.

Yeah like I said it's not about the fact that he responds, so much as the potential outcome, which maybe he wasn't aware of. A blow to the back of the head like that could cause serious damage instantly, and then it's over for everyone, including him, as he'd probably be up for manslaughter.

If he'd grabbed her arms and pinned her etc. that would have been quite a reasonable response but doing something that could so easily kill, not so much. I guess look at it this way: would you consider his response to the situation reasonable or justifiable if he'd grabbed her and pushed her in front of a moving bus?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This video sums up what is wrong with some corners of the media on this issue. A man is being attacked relentlessly by a woman and he is supposed to just sit back and take it? That was sort of the message I got while watching it. I don't believe any woman should be hit unless she herself is the aggressure.

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...I agree about the media focus on this, the way his size is being referred to because the level of aggression is equally relevant ...she may be physically much smaller than him but she looks as though she's 'lost control' with her anger and aggression...which makes her very capable of hurting him ...someone made a omment in the vid that he could have walked away...which he could have..but she had already used a 'weapon' to hit him and had asked for something more dangerous...so if he turned his back to wal away, he could have been hit by the scooter or whatever it was that she asked for....his control seemed to be there through it all...which I think is quite admirable....even after being physically attacked the first time by someone who was obviously beyond any reasoning...he still tried to 'ward off' and de-mobilise, rather than attack...ok, maybe sweeping her feet away wasn't the best thought out thing...but who of us would always think of 'the best thought out thing', wwhen faced with an out of control person who is intent on physically hurting us....I think tht he tried his best to not use physical force, to not use 'his burly weight' as the media described but just to lay her on the ground where she wouldn't be a threat...I doubt that there are many people who would have done that..so I think a big focus should be how fortunate she was as well, that it was him and not someone else who she lost control with....


...anyways, her poor children..that's how beyond reason she was, that her only focus was to physically harm the guy....