[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TL: "I've been in a number of serious relationships but never married..."

LT: "HAHAHA! LOL! No one wants to marry u! WOT A SADDO! Pmsl! Hey hey hey... wanna get marrrr...gheritas? Will you do me the honour of being my wwwwwwwwinter sports training partner? LOL j/k I'm not going to marry you either."

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TL: "I've been in a number of serious relationships but never married..."

LT: "HAHAHA! LOL! No one wants to marry u! WOT A SADDO! Pmsl! Hey hey hey... wanna get marrrr...gheritas? Will you do me the honour of being my wwwwwwwwinter sports training partner? LOL j/k I'm not going to marry you either."

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TL: "I've been in a number of serious relationships but never married..."

LT: "HAHAHA! LOL! No one wants to marry u! WOT A SADDO! Pmsl! Hey hey hey... wanna get marrrr...gheritas? Will you do me the honour of being my wwwwwwwwinter sports training partner? LOL j/k I'm not going to marry you either."

*is horrified to be portrayed in such a way but notes down the margaritas one..

[Northern Monkey]

As Withano said.It should be up to the individual churches as to whether they feel it goes against their beliefs.Also as Livia said you can't force one religion in law without forcing all religions.Now imagine the unholy ****storm on the streets if you tried enforcing mosques to marry gays?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

As Withano said.It should be up to the individual churches as to whether they feel it goes against their beliefs.Also as Livia said you can't force one religion in law without forcing all religions.Now imagine the unholy ****storm on the streets if you tried enforcing mosques to marry gays?

And Synagogues, she said and synagogues too.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And Synagogues, she said and synagogues too.

Notice i said 'all' religions?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

As Withano said.It should be up to the individual churches as to whether they feel it goes against their beliefs.Also as Livia said you can't force one religion in law without forcing all religions.Now imagine the unholy ****storm on the streets if you tried enforcing mosques to marry gays?

I *think* they already do samesex marriage. But only if one of the couple identifies as transgender

'Transgender men and women are recognized and accepted in many Islamic cultures around the world. In fact, the idea of a man or woman identifying as a member of the opposite gender is more likely to be accepted than that of a man or woman expressing sexual desire for someone of their own gender.

As early as 1988, gender reassignment surgery was declared acceptable under Islamic law by scholars at Egypt’s Al-Azhar, the world’s oldest Islamic university. In Iran, in 1987, Ayatollah Khomeini declared transgender surgical operations allowable. The basis for this attitude of acceptance is the belief that a person is born transgender but chooses to be homosexual, making homosexuality a sin.'

http://www.hrc.org/resources/stances...t-issues-islam

Not sure if that link is biased or not. I only know about this because of a conversation elsewhere where it was claimed it is acceptable (to a Muslim) to be transgender but not to be gay. And that in predominantly Muslim countries being transgender is encouraged as it 'means less gay people'

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I *think* they already do samesex marriage. But only if one of the couple identifies as transgender

I remember once when a church in Russia had no option but to marry a lesbian couple because the country refuses to acknowledge the transgender woman as a woman. Might be similar to that?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I remember once when a church in Russia had no option but to marry a lesbian couple because the country refuses to acknowledge the transgender woman as a woman. Might be similar to that?

I think this is that, but the opposite if that makes sense

Gay males can marry each other, IF one pretends to be trans. Same for gay females.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I *think* they already do samesex marriage. But only if one of the couple identifies as transgender


http://www.hrc.org/resources/stances...t-issues-islam

Not sure if that link is biased or not. I only know about this because of a conversation elsewhere where it was claimed it is acceptable (to a Muslim) to be transgender but not to be gay. And that in predominantly Muslim countries being transgender is encouraged as it 'means less gay people'

They've found a....erm..... loophole

[Crimson Dynamo]

still at least there is very little homosexuality in the middle east where this particular cult was invented and there is little homosexuality in the clergy....

[smudgie]

I really don't see why you can't get married in church if you are gay if the vicar is not against it.
Hopefully we can all be treat as equals one day.
You can get married in some churches if you are divorced nowadays...even the Catholic Church, just as long as you get an annulment first.
The C of E does not require you to be christened to be married in church.

Some couples get married in church due to the bride wanting her chance to walk down the aisle looking like a meringue, or to be the centre of attention for the day, some do it for religion and some do it for traditions sake. All good to them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The whole speeches thing needs to end

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The whole speeches thing needs to end

Words fail me.

[thesheriff443]

Did anyone read this week about the woman who got a divorce settlement from her wealth partner then had him killed went to prison for 12 years the family stoped the payments wen she got released she went back to court and the judge up held the original decision and she got 15 million back payments

[Glenn.]

I can't believe people still follow religion. We're supposed to be an intelligent species.

[Jack_]

I did a little bit of reading about the problem of framing of 'equality' for gay people in strictly legal terms a few weeks ago, and it was quite interesting. For years I've always seen equal marriage as the beacon of progress for 'gay rights' (and I still do to an extent), but what many queer scholars have critiqued certain LGBT activists for (and indeed the same applies for feminists, black and disability rights movements and others) is for trying to assimilate themselves into an inherently oppressive system.

You may be striving for 'equality' - but equality with whom exactly? Marriage is a patriarchal, heteronormative, neoliberal institution...is that really all LGBT activists should be working towards? Surely the goal should be to upend and dismantle the existing structures that propagate homophobia and challenge the status quo in the first place? Marriage equality doesn't solve the multitude of other issues facing not just LGBT people, but everyone else.

This piece is particularly pertinent

[Gstar]

To think how many priests perv on young boys and try to seduce them, I've got plenty of receipts but that's tea for another day

[Marsh.]

Germyle admitting to sex in the vestry?

[smudgie]

The Synod voted against the Bishops.