[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You are wonderful,unlike myself who really doesn't care a jot.BTW I have NEVER seen a post of yours where you have pulled any of your pals up for calling people names,and I have seen some of the ones pretending they are lily white say some awful things,but no worries eh? This is me Can you find us some of those posts ?

Again, thank you - I'm glad you agree I'm wonderful.

I've just done a bit of searching, here's a few:

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's par for the course on here these days and the comments about Jason being ugly aren't any better

It's all so childish and petty and unnecessary on all sides. Grow up

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=150

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=184

Originally Posted by GLENN BILL BB7

And the Award for the Most Sluttiest housemate of All time goes to ...

Biancca Lake.

Originally Posted by Jack_

yeah can we not slut shame k thanks, it's bad enough on here as it is

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Um yes she did. Sitting in a group of people calling someone a slug is bullying. The very thing she's bitched about everyone doing to Simon this week.

Not only is the slut a bullying vile bastard but she's a hypercrite too.

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't. And once again, all of that stopped after two weeks.

I don't think there's any need to be calling people 'sluts' either.

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

So because it stopped it was ok?

The woman was a prostitute so the word slut is more than appropriate

Originally Posted by Jack_

Didn't say that either. What she did was out of order and she is a ****, but she isn't a bully. The rest of her time in the house wasn't that bad and this week she's been fine, why hold two weeks of her life against her forever?

Well first of all there's nothing wrong with being a prostitute, second of all the word 'slut' isn't really appropriate because it's a profession not a pastime and lastly calling people (well let's be honest, it's mainly women) 'sluts' is just nasty and misogynistic. You're better than that Glenn and you know you are, don't stoop to her level.

Originally Posted by Jack_

And? What's wrong with sleeping with dozens of men, or sleeping with as many people as you personally want to? The word 'slut' or 'slag' or anything like that is pointless and nasty, who cares how many people someone has slept with, or whether they do it for money?

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

She's a nasty vile slut and I have no problem saying that whatsoever, so

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well you're letting yourself down by using such misogynistic terminology to be quite honest. Still yet to hear what the problem with sleeping around is but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

I didn't say he was absolved. The useless tart should have got a proper job to support her child and pay debts like a normal person, instead of laying on her back getting banged for an hour a pop.

Originally Posted by Jack_

Who are you to define what's a 'proper job'? A job is a job, you can't define 'proper'.

Once again, there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults exchanging money for sexual gratification. Who made this ridiculous rule?

I'm actually defending people (that goes for anyone) from being called 'sluts' because it's misogynistic and silly. In fact, it's nasty terms like that being thrown around the Big Brother section that puts me off viewing it every series.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

It's time for some truth tea to hit this thread

1) For the umpteenth time, winning Big Brother UK is NOT an effective barometer of measurement as to how good of a housemate you are, since the public are in charge and the public largely know nothing. They crowned Sam ****ing Evans a winner for **** sake. Can we please stop churning out 'so and so won' as if it's at all relevant? Thanks

2) There is nothing wrong with prostitution and there is everything wrong with the constant slut shaming that goes on series after series. 'Helen was a prostitute', 'Aisleyne was a prostitute', 'Harry IS a prostitute', 'Nikki was a prostitute!!!'...who the **** cares? It doesn't matter, can we please stop using 'prostitute' as an insult when there's absolutely nothing wrong with the profession? The double standards are simply astounding and that goes for people on all sides. It is irrelevant and nasty, please stop bringing it up.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Discussing his merits as a housemate should be fine but as I always say vitriolic personal attacks shouldn't be acceptable regardless of who it is, it's so toxic

Good job he doesn't have any family on this forum (yet) cause if anyone insulted someone I care about like what happens on here I'd ruin their life

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If you find any others you don't think I've criticised, I implore you to quote them and I will.

Now where are the examples of you denouncing your friends for making 'nasty' posts?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Again, thank you - I'm glad you agree I'm wonderful.

I've just done a bit of searching, here's a few:



http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=150

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=184





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If you find any others you don't think I've criticised, I implore you to quote them and I will.

Now where are the examples of you denouncing your friends for making 'nasty' posts?

I don't denounce any of them they are free to post what they want,I may not agree but it's sod all to do with me what opinions others have,I don't go round telling people what they should and should not post, I just think affairs of the heart are kinda below the belt, ,my opinion whether people like it or not, and thankyou for the posts,lol but I was talking about THIS time round ,but no worries.these are people that have hardly been posting this time,

[Rob!]

Not Glenn exposed

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't denounce any of them they are free to post what they want,I may not agree but it's sod all to do with me what opinions others have,I don't go round telling people what they should and should not post, I just think affairs of the heart are kinda below the belt, ,my opinion whether people like it or not, and thankyou for the posts,lol but I was talking about THIS time round ,but no worries.

So why didn't you afford the same freedom to Luke? Is it because he's not your friend, or because you don't mind Tom as a housemate? This was literally your first post in this thread:

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How mean,whether you like him or not,that is really nasty,says a lot about people really.

I agree that mocking people's affairs outside of the house isn't really necessary, in the exact same way that mocking the way people look, or calling women sluts and slappers isn't either. This is a genuine question - why do you think it's acceptable or necessary to do that? Don't you think this place would be a lot more civilised if we could discuss the housemates solely on their characters and what they do in the house - rather than the way they look or their sexual promiscuity? I genuinely, honestly don't get what relevance the way someone looks is to whether they're a good housemate or not? These are just people on a television show we watch for 48 minutes a night, yes some of them may be annoying or boring or do things we don't like - but why does that mean we need to slut shame or insult their appearance? They're still human. Is there not a part of you that finds it bit juvenile and childish? The only reason I call people out for it is because I find it draining, it really makes this forum a miserable place to frequent during on season and that's a damn shame.

With regards to 'this time around', I honestly can't say I've seen anyone insult a housemate other than Isabelle's appearance? I don't think Lotan even had insults levelled at him like that and he was detested. I'm not sure why that is because Jason got it bad last year, but like I said, if I saw it I'd have called it out.

[Lostie!]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So why didn't you afford the same freedom to Luke? Is it because he's not your friend, or because you don't mind Tom as a housemate? This was literally your first post in this thread:



I agree that mocking people's affairs outside of the house isn't really necessary, in the exact same way that mocking the way people look, or calling women sluts and slappers isn't either. This is a genuine question - why do you think it's acceptable or necessary to do that? Don't you think this place would be a lot more civilised if we could discuss the housemates solely on their characters and what they do in the house - rather than the way they look or their sexual promiscuity? I genuinely, honestly don't get what relevance the way someone looks is to whether they're a good housemate or not? These are just people on a television show we watch for 48 minutes a night, yes some of them may be annoying or boring or do things we don't like - but why does that mean we need to slut shame or insult their appearance? They're still human. Is there not a part of you that finds it bit juvenile and childish? The only reason I call people out for it is because I find it draining, it really makes this forum a miserable place to frequent during on season and that's a damn shame.

With regards to 'this time around', I honestly can't say I've seen anyone insult a housemate other than Isabelle's appearance? I don't think Lotan even had insults levelled at him like that and he was detested. I'm not sure why that is because Jason got it bad last year, but like I said, if I saw it I'd have called it out.

Nothing to do with that,I have explained once real life is different to what happens on the forum for what its worth I thought it pretty nasty that people were gloating about Lotan losing his job,and also I have never called anyone a slut,*****,sperm bank ,yes I have used slapper ,but so have plenty others why choose me to vent at, if you are gonna get that wrapped up in it call them all out,I do not appreciate being singled out for doing something the majority do and still do in here,so probably best you just ignore me and I you.You have said NOTHING to anyone else about name calling during this BB

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Nothing to do with that,I have explained once real life is different to what happens on the forum for what its worth I thought it pretty nasty that people were gloating about Lotan losing his job,and also I have never called anyone a slut,*****,sperm bank ,yes I have used slapper ,but so have plenty others why choose me to vent at, if you are gonna get that wrapped up in it call them all out,I do not appreciate being singled out for doing something the majority do and still do in here,so probably best you just ignore me and I you.You have said NOTHING to anyone else about name calling during this BB

But like I said in my first response to you, by that logic if real life is different to what happens on a forum, and Tom is unlikely to ever see this thread - what's the issue? It's exactly the same argument that I'm making with regards to slut shaming/insulting appearances. Wouldn't you agree that one's appearance is the same or even more sensitive a subject as one's family/relationships? By that token they should both be off-limits.

I know you haven't used all the terms, my point was that some of your 'friends' have and you haven't criticised them for it in the way you have Luke for making this thread. On another note, and at risk of me sitting here mansplaining, do you not feel as a woman that calling other women slappers and the like is just nasty and unnecessary? It's bad enough when men do it, I just don't ~get it~? Why denigrate members of your own sex for something as irrelevant as sexual promiscuity? I've just never understood why how often or little someone sleeps around - or how much or little they wear - is not only a marker of whether someone's a good Big Brother housemate, but whether they're a good person in general? It's one of the least important characteristics of a person, surely. I don't understand what people gain from mocking people so nastily on this matter.

And come on Kazanne, you know full well it's not just you I call out for this stuff - perhaps I haven't done it so often this series but I've had plenty of run-ins with others (including your friends) on this subject in the past. Like I said, the only reason I brought it up with you is because it seemed a tad hypocritical in the context of your original post.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But like I said in my first response to you, by that logic if real life is different to what happens on a forum, and Tom is unlikely to ever see this thread - what's the issue? It's exactly the same argument that I'm making with regards to slut shaming/insulting appearances. Wouldn't you agree that one's appearance is the same or even more sensitive a subject as one's family/relationships? By that token they should both be off-limits.

I know you haven't used all the terms, my point was that some of your 'friends' have and you haven't criticised them for it in the way you have Luke for making this thread. On another note, and at risk of me sitting here mansplaining, do you not feel as a woman that calling other women slappers and the like is just nasty and unnecessary? It's bad enough when men do it, I just don't ~get it~? Why denigrate members of your own sex for something as irrelevant as sexual promiscuity? I've just never understood why how often or little someone sleeps around - or how much or little they wear - is not only a marker of whether someone's a good Big Brother housemate, but whether they're a good person in general? It's one of the least important characteristics of a person, surely. I don't understand what people gain from mocking people so nastily on this matter.

And come on Kazanne, you know full well it's not just you I call out for this stuff - perhaps I haven't done it so often this series but I've had plenty of run-ins with others (including your friends) on this subject in the past. Like I said, the only reason I brought it up with you is because it seemed a tad hypocritical in the context of your original post.

No Tom wont see this thread but he will come out to no girlfriend and people are relishing in that, Isabelle and co wont see the threads or come out to it,not from us anyway,not sure I am getting this across as its meant,the relishing of someone coming out to be hurt seems much worse imo. Just my take on it.

[fitz2k2]

lmaoooooooooooooooo I just saw her in the BET Awards hahaha