[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

Hi annie.

Would it be fair to say most kids grow out of lego so the frustrations go away?

If so, if that child was then given a games console, the childs frustrations would increase rather than stay the same due to the amounts of adreniline the childs body can produce as it ages? And can it increase further as the games they can access are designed to produce more adreniline rushes?

Hey Parm

I honestly don't know about that....I think my son's frustration stems from being fairly intelligent but his motor skills are still developing so whilst he knows what he wants to do and how things should work his coordination skills are still developing. I've not let him have a console as I prefer him to play out and play with toys while he's still young enough to do that and has far too much energy to sit still and play a game. my stepson is a gamer and isn't affected by the games he plays but he is very laid back. He can lose hours playing though.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Hey Parm

I honestly don't know about that....I think my son's frustration stems from being fairly intelligent but his motor skills are still developing so whilst he knows what he wants to do and how things should work his coordination skills are still developing. I've not let him have a console as I prefer him to play out and play with toys while he's still young enough to do that and has far too much energy to sit still and play a game. my stepson is a gamer and isn't affected by the games he plays but he is very laid back. He can lose hours playing though.

Perhaps marsh knows the answer?


Sound like a contented life. May i ask what games the oldest plays?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

Perhaps marsh knows the answer?


Sound like a contented life. May i ask what games the oldest plays?

All the usual ones teens play (he's 16) but I don't know what they are lol. There is a lot of shooting and thats when I lose interest. Although he doesnt want CoD WW2 as hes a bit done with COD. He plays a lot of betas on the PS.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

Perhaps marsh knows the answer?

Less of the snide remarks please.

It's almost as though you can't stand someone challenging your posts.

[Beso]

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[RichardG]

i was slicing monsters into pieces with a chainsaw when i was eleven years old on gears of war. i am now suffering from a severe addiction to korean boy bands. keep violent video games away from your kids, people! you don't want your son to end up like me!

[Tom4784]

Let's be real here, Parm does not believe a word he is saying and what he has said has already been disproven by years of research by psychiatrists and scientists that understand the human condition and the causes and effects of emotional issues far better than anyone here.

If all those studies couldn't find proof that games make people more prone to violent acts or anger that they didn't already have the potential for then it doesn't exist.

[Marsh.]

That kind of argument doesn't hold water because we can all become desensitised to things due to the media.

It no longer shocks me, for example, when you hear of another needless mass killing in America.

However, does that mean where I to witness such an atrocity I would actually be desensitised to the violence and murder unfolding in front of me.

It's laughable to compare the clicking of a button on a control pad as something happens to an image on a screen and real people doing real things. It seems most kids see that more than grown adults do.

[user104658]

The thing is though... They do have age ratings, just like movies, and they have them for a reason. If the question you're asking is; "Is mature content harmful to young developing minds?" then the answer is "probably, yes" but that's largely irrelevant isn't it? The fact that people under 18 access mature content is NOT a reason for mature content to cease to exist.

Also, that said, I would imagine that mature content is more harmful to an 18 year old who has no context for it than for a 15 year old who has received good parental guidance in understanding adult themes.

But again that's really a totally separate discussion.

[Kazanne]

Well this convo is interesting,of course kids are influenced by games and media , whoever says they are not just needs to convince themselves of that because they play these games , and they really want to keep playing them, my lads start imitating Ninja Turtles ,Power Rangers etc,so if they are not influenced why would they want to re-enact it,plus the times I have had to cover my ears when my nephew is playing a game upstairs and he is not an angry young man , but as soon as he gets that control in his hands he is a different lad, I am not saying the games make kids violent but they certainly don't make them calm and peaceful either ,many a time I have had to calm my boys down after playing things they have seen on TV or seen someone playing, so to say it doesn't affect them is stupid and probably said by people who dont even have kids.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker Sweet

Well this convo is interesting,of course kids are influenced by games and media , whoever says they are not just needs to convince themselves of that because they play these games , and they really want to keep playing them, my lads start imitating Ninja Turtles ,Power Rangers etc,so if they are not influenced why would they want to re-enact it,plus the times I have had to cover my ears when my nephew is playing a game upstairs and he is not an angry young man , but as soon as he gets that control in his hands he is a different lad, I am not saying the games make kids violent but they certainly don't make them calm and peaceful either ,many a time I have had to calm my boys down after playing things they have seen on TV or seen someone playing, so to say it doesn't affect them is stupid and probably said by people who dont even have kids.

Like I said, adult rated games featuring violence may well affect kids but so what? They're not supposed to be playing them, and that's not what this thread is even about. It's about a game with adult themes, designed for and marketed at adults, and whether or not certain content should be "banned" because it might reduce empathy. Whether or not someone's son / nephew / neighbours cousins TV repair man's clients kid gets mad playing Call of Duty (which incidentally, is not rated for children in the first place) is totally irrelevant.

It also has nothing to do with gaming and everything to do with the fact that it's competitive multiplayer gaming. It's not the games that are making these kids fume and throw things at walls - its the fact that they have LOST at a game AGAINST ANOTHER HUMAN.

If you want me to believe that those same kids are perfectly calm when they lose a game of football up the park, or lose a board game against their family... I'll have to ask you to pull the other one. They're lobbing their footie boots across the changing room and lobbing the monopoly board off the table just the same as the game pad.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Like I said, adult rated games featuring violence may well affect kids but so what? They're not supposed to be playing them, and that's not what this thread is even about. It's about a game with adult themes, designed for and marketed at adults, and whether or not certain content should be "banned" because it might reduce empathy. Whether or not someone's son / nephew / neighbours cousins TV repair man's clients kid gets mad playing Call of Duty (which incidentally, is not rated for children in the first place) is totally irrelevant.

It also has nothing to do with gaming and everything to do with the fact that it's competitive multiplayer gaming. It's not the games that are making these kids fume and throw things at walls - its the fact that they have LOST at a game AGAINST ANOTHER HUMAN.

If you want me to believe that those same kids are perfectly calm when they lose a game of football up the park, or lose a board game against their family... I'll have to ask you to pull the other one. They're lobbing their footie boots across the changing room and lobbing the monopoly board off the table just the same as the game pad.

Reminds me of when my son had a friend around and we were all playing monopoly and the friend said his Mom had lobbed the monopoly board and she is quite a mild mannered woman

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

Reminds me of when my son had a friend around and we were all playing monopoly and the friend said his Mom had lobbed the monopoly board and she is quite a mild mannered woman

Some people just don't take losing well at all. My daughter doesn't get angry but she does get really upset about losing, to the extent that she just won't willingly engage in anything competitive. I guess if you don't compete, you can't lose? Haha. But it's basically anything... She can't play board games or video games, and even if she's with a friend and they're like "race ya to the next lamp post!" she's just straight up like "NOPE I'm not racing" and actually slows down .

Even things where there's no skill involved like deciding something with a coin toss. Just won't do it .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker Sweet

Well this convo is interesting,of course kids are influenced by games and media , whoever says they are not just needs to convince themselves of that because they play these games , and they really want to keep playing them, my lads start imitating Ninja Turtles ,Power Rangers etc,so if they are not influenced why would they want to re-enact it,plus the times I have had to cover my ears when my nephew is playing a game upstairs and he is not an angry young man , but as soon as he gets that control in his hands he is a different lad, I am not saying the games make kids violent but they certainly don't make them calm and peaceful either ,many a time I have had to calm my boys down after playing things they have seen on TV or seen someone playing, so to say it doesn't affect them is stupid and probably said by people who dont even have kids.

Completely agree Kaz - I have had the same experience with my son. I also agree that a lot of this is about justification from people who spend a lot of time playing the games themselvess, some of whom allow their underage kids to play them too.

It’s obvious that violence in a lot of the games does have a substantial effect on some and increase aggression in many otherwise quite passive people - so what do they do to those already aggressive by nature?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Completely agree Kaz - I have had the same experience with my son. I also agree that a lot of this is about justification from people who spend a lot of time playing the games themselvess, some of whom allow their underage kids to play them too.

Hmm, and you both have had these experiences with your sons and both are keen to suggest that games lead to aggression. Might we equally, perhaps, wonder if this might be about attempting to justify the aggressive behavior of your own offspring by "blaming games"? I guess no parent wants to believe that their little boy is just aggressive and easily frustrated by nature .

The thing is though, the aggression you're noticing is almost certainly whilst playing competitive online games like Call of Duty or FIFA. And yes - many teenage boys DO get... Overenthusiastic... When engaging in competitive activities. The only real difference is that they're in the house playing games so you can see and hear them, rather than out at the park playing football and swearing / scrapping with their friends. It's "normal teen behaviour".

[user104658]

There's also a big difference between being culturally influenced by media and becoming physically violent :/

[Beso]

http://www.educationalneuroscience.o...-more-violent/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

http://www.educationalneuroscience.o...-more-violent/

1) Again, what does the premise of this thread have to do with children playing games that are not age appropriate?

2) Your own link has actually advocated FOR the game used in the example;

"The good news is that pro-social games, where the main aim is to help someone else, have a positive effect on behaviour[xiv]*to the same extent that violent games have a negative effect."


The aim in the game that Esther has an issue with, and that this thread is about, is to HELP the victim of violence. Therefore - according to your link - this will have a positive effect on the player. Right?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

1) Again, what does the premise of this thread have to do with children playing games that are not age appropriate?

2) Your own link has actually advocated FOR the game used in the example;

"The good news is that pro-social games, where the main aim is to help someone else, have a positive effect on behaviour[xiv]*to the same extent that violent games have a negative effect."


The aim in the game that Esther has an issue with, and that this thread is about, is to HELP the victim of violence. Therefore - according to your link - this will have a positive effect on the player. Right?

Oh piss off, there is a lot more in that link than the factt that that game, aids kids because they can correct the wrong.......especially when the game in question is not available to kids....twisty misty

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

1) Again, what does the premise of this thread have to do with children playing games that are not age appropriate?

2) Your own link has actually advocated FOR the game used in the example;

"The good news is that pro-social games, where the main aim is to help someone else, have a positive effect on behaviour[xiv]*to the same extent that violent games have a negative effect."


The aim in the game that Esther has an issue with, and that this thread is about, is to HELP the victim of violence. Therefore - according to your link - this will have a positive effect on the player. Right?

I think some people in the thread don't realise that not helping the victim of violence in the game would contribute to getting a less than satisfactory ending to a game. The game wants you to make the right choices so all the good characters make it out of the situation in a good state.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling

http://www.educationalneuroscience.o...-more-violent/

It's an interesting read but it does note that there's no real evidence to link violent games to actual real life violence (it also implies that games like the one this thread is about could actually benefit children )

The other thing in all of this is that noone is ever forced to play a violent game and they're not imposed onto us by game manufacturers, they exist because we want them to. There's something within us that makes us want to play them and enact fake/fictional violence, so are violent video games influencing us or are we influencing them? What's the real cause and effect in all of this? I sort of wonder what makes someone want to play one in the first place (I'm one of those people incase anyone thinks I'm trying to imply something) but it is a curious thing. I've enjoyed violence within games but I've never been a violent person in real life. Any link could just be that violent people may enjoy playing fictional violence and because of issues they already have, may relate them to real experiences, whereas non-violent people would play them without relating them to real experiences. But the cause of those violent peoples tendencies still wouldn't be the game itself.

[Marsh.]

Except kids know the difference between playing power rangers and play fighting and shooting someone dead.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Except kids know the difference between playing power rangers and play fighting and shooting someone dead.

And at what age marsh do you think they know the difference ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker Sweet

And at what age marsh do you think they know the difference ?

Well very young kids have no real concept of most things and by the time they're old enough to understand they know the difference. Sometimes more than adults.

Kids aren't as stupid as they are usually thought of imo.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Well very young kids have no real concept of most things and by the time they're old enough to understand they know the difference. Sometimes more than adults.

Kids aren't as stupid as they are usually thought of imo.

The reason I asked you that marsh is when those two 10 year olds killed James Bulger,there were some that said they didn't know what they were doing they were only 10,do you believe that train of thought? as it was said they had got ideas from the movie Chucky,so were they influenced or not ? and were they old enough to understand,I have my own views but would like yours. By the way no one likes gaming more than me,especially the Tombraider games,but even I have been known to throw the control and call her a stupid cow,LOL,so they do get in your head.