[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Trying to keep him relevant

After calling an OAP the word he chose too ,he has no relevance

[poppsywoppsy]

Amanda has worked with the best drag queens over the years, I never liked Danny La Rue but he would make mincemeat of Courtney.

It is like Harrods being challenged by Poundland.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Amanda has worked with the best drag queens over the years, I never liked Danny La Rue but he would make mincemeat of Courtney.

It is like Harrods being challenged by Poundland.

Couldn't have put that better myself !!

[bots]

I have to say that I could identify all the gay children at school with me easily as a naive kid, so it would be a big surprise if parents and siblings were not aware. So i don't see how coming out would be a big shocker for anyone close

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I have to say that I could identify all the gay children at school with me easily as a naive kid, so it would be a big surprise if parents and siblings were not aware. So i don't see how coming out would be a big shocker for anyone close

People sometimes believe what they want to believe and I'd say it's especially true of close relatives. My mum found gay porn in my room when I was a teenager and I somehow managed to explain it away even with that happening she was still surprised when I later came out.

[Withano]

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Withano

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

Not me

[Withano]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Not me

I wasnt thinking of you haha but it is a recurring pattern with some others.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

I wasnt thinking of you haha but it is a recurring pattern with some others.

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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None of that is a defence? Some people are getting visibly agitated in every single lgbt thread, thats just a fact.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Paula D

If you care to look back at my posting history from previous series I think you'll find I've never had a problem with LBGT issues, still don't.

What I do have a problem with is Shane J and his vicious sly carry on.

I also have a problem with gay people being thrown out of the "club" for not being the right sort of gay.

Kind of ironic that John B got crucified for even making a joke about a club when Amanda can be dismissed just because she happens to not like Shane J.

Also, there are gay people in here also ashamed of this carry on but it's convenient for you just to ignore them isn't it? Are they not allowed to have LGBT issues because there not the same as your issues.

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regarding your last point, internalized homophobia is a real thing. Gay people can be homophobic too.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

So true. It makes it so difficult for a balanced and dignified debate to take place, and makes any contribution seem pointless. Goodness knows what TwoSugars must think being new to the forum.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Garfie

So true. It makes it so difficult for a balanced and dignified debate to take place, and makes any contribution seem pointless. Goodness knows what TwoSugars must think being new to the forum.

Perhaps you should be aware that most of those you speak about were very liberal before all this incessant LGTB spouting from Shane and his acolytes.
W
However, it is poor Gay this and poor Gay that and poor Gay and poor Gay

I can give you a list of what has happened to me which far outweighs anything written on here.

I do not wallow in it, I do not want special treatment because of it and I do not want others to wipe my forehead while I sob my eyes out.

For goodness sake, get a grip. You are not fighting in Afghanistan like my neighbour who has lost his leg. You are not like my happy other lady Gay neighbours who live their lives to the full.

If you find some posters unsympathetic than you have to realise that on a scale of things you are pretty near the bottom when it comes down to suffering either physically or mentally. Do you know what living in physical pain 24/7 is like?

There will come a time when your problems will pass. You will age and those same problems will be resolved. It is not the end of the world, I fended for myself from the age of 16 so I know it will pass. Just make your life plan and go for it, not sit there feeling sorry for yourselves.

That's my soapbox rant, if you do not care for it or disagree then you have an inkling of how others feel about Shane J going on and on and on and I still could.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

Always seems to be the same 5 or 6 people who get completely agitated at the mere mention of lgbt. Perhaps a show that is largely to do with social interaction isnt for you.

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

No literally everyone you try to paint as anti gay (only really proving our point) is just sick of labels as it’s not proactive and it sets said communities back instead of pulling them forward. The fake barbie doll everyone is supporting has used these labels to win over the public and everyone has just lapped it up and not bothered thinking about his character or implications in the lgbt community whatsoever. It’s annoying to see everyone blindly support someone so manipulative and furthering this pc culture we’ve adopted recently

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marches

No literally everyone you try to paint as anti gay (only really proving our point) is just sick of labels as it’s not proactive and it sets said communities back instead of pulling them forward. The fake barbie doll everyone is supporting has used these labels to win over the public and everyone has just lapped it up and not bothered thinking about his character or implications in the lgbt community whatsoever. It’s annoying to see everyone blindly support someone so manipulative and furthering this pc culture we’ve adopted recently

Nobody is trying to paint you as anti-gay. I just at one point thought that I should let you know that you, yourself (and some others) have implied that you are 'anti-gay' by continuously spouting the same ****e in every thread. Take that as you like idc. Pass your blame to elsewhere if you like, I ain't buying it. Others might buy it and accept that you do this because others are PC, but it doesn't work for me. You can take some responsibility for your own words.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of him as Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of him as Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

That’s true.It gets boring.I really don’t care if somebody is L,G,B or T.Just get on with it and stop telling me about it.It does turn people off.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

Exactly right

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

I have just been reading here and on other relevant threads and I don't see any agitation (or homophobia) - just people who are getting very tired of the overly PCness getting shoved in their faces day and daily these days. You must think this or you must agree with that or you are a bad person etc, and look at us, we are so accepting and superior and GOOD. It's natural that people who don't want to be told how they must think and feel to say 'enough's enough', stop with the overkill. It's not that they disagree, they just don't want to hear it for the 1000th time. The first 100 was enough.
A good example of that is Shane J and his first week in the house. He was talking about lgbt issues and most everyone here was interested and supportive of him. Then he started going on and on about it and trying to get Wayne and Amanda to confront Ann about her opinions. He was talking a lot behind her back and saying how a 14 yr old watching could be badly affected because of her views - that's pretty low really imo.
How about a 14 yr old boy picking up how to objectify women by his great mate Andrew?
It's hypocritical and it's overdone. Lgbt people don't need loud mouths droning on and on, that isn't going to help with very real issues and only turns people off listening. Imo we need to get much needed perspective and common sense back - and not just on Lgbt issues either.

[Marches]

Why do people have to go do in depth with their sexuality and like put it in their twitter bio and stuff imagine if people put **** like ‘male 21, extreme s&m fan’

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marches

Why do people have to go do in depth with their sexuality and like put it in their twitter bio and stuff imagine if people put **** like ‘male 21, extreme s&m fan’

What parallel do you think you're drawing