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Ashley. · 24-03-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

How is it denying your privacy. No one is forced to use a public changing room. The clue is in the name - public. And if a trans woman wants to use the correct room that is her right.

And what will become of it, if any man is allowed to enter a woman-only space should they wake up in the morning and decide that they would like to identify as female?

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley.

And what will become of it, if any man is allowed to enter a woman-only space should they wake up in the morning and decide that they would like to identify as female?

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

Brillopad · 24-03-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

Our local swimming pool had a problem with men sneaking into female changing rooms some time ago and holding phones and cameras under doors taking grimy pictures of young girls getting changed and I heard it was a common problem in many public areas like that.

Wake up - we have huge problems with sexual assault against women and young girls in this country and the world as a whole and such proposals will simply make it easier for such creeps to gain access - as it will be harder to challenge men who are hanging around.

Plus I think you will find it will be a lot more than 45% of women will not support this proposal - and we need to focus on them and their rights.

Vicky. · 24-03-2018, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

I know you probably won't read, but others might.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/sto...ide-rate-mean/

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I know you probably won't read, but others might.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/sto...ide-rate-mean/

You're right, I'm not going to read from a source called "transgender trend". (Recent evidence shows it is neurological and not a choice or trend.)

Mystic Mock · 24-03-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

How is it denying your privacy. No one is forced to use a public changing room. The clue is in the name - public. And if a trans woman wants to use the correct room that is her right.

I'm not a woman so it's not my place to state it as fact, but imo I don't think many women would want pre-op Trans male being able to use the women's Toilet's as they're not officially a woman yet, just like how not many men would want a pre-op Trans female to use the men's Toilets.

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 01:28 PM

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese smelly wrinkly man was in the same changing room as me but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

Brillopad · 24-03-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese wrinkly man struts around changing room naked but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

Do you not get that any male predator can easily self-identify as a trans woman and gain access to female only areas - which puts women and girls at risk of physical harm. Women have rights too you know whether you like it or not.

Apart from that women also have a right to privacy whether you agree or not.

Kizzy · 24-03-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese smelly wrinkly man was in the same changing room as me but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

Why are your agephobic, sizephobic comments acceptable?

You can't crow about rights while making offensive remarks about the physical appearance of others.

kirklancaster · 24-03-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why are your agephobic, sizephobic comments acceptable?

You can't crow about rights while making offensive remarks about the physical appearance of others.

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why are your agephobic, sizephobic comments acceptable?

You can't crow about rights while making offensive remarks about the physical appearance of others.

Old, obese, smelly and wrinkly are just adjectives. I would never personally slag someone off for being that (apart from maybe smelly as BO is absolutely disgusting - like have a wash)

Kizzy · 24-03-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

Old, obese, smelly and wrinkly are just adjectives. I would never personally slag someone off for being that (apart from maybe smelly as BO is absolutely disgusting - like have a wash)

so is bloke in a dress.

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

so is bloke in a dress.

Innacurate and offensive way to describe a trans woman though.

jaxie · 24-03-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese smelly wrinkly man was in the same changing room as me but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

And you think that your stereotype speak will help gain sympathy for the cause you are speaking up for?

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

And you think that your stereotype speak will help gain sympathy for the cause you are speaking up for?

Who am I stereotyping? Old people? Smelly people? Wrinkly people? Spill beans

Brillopad · 24-03-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

Who am I stereotyping? Old people? Smelly people? Wrinkly people? Spill beans

Old people clearly as 2 out 3 ageist comments = ageism. Maybe you think old people are smelly to - they were your words.

jaxie · 24-03-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

Who am I stereotyping? Old people? Smelly people? Wrinkly people? Spill beans

And thus you make everything you say pointless and not worth listening to.

Vicky. · 24-03-2018, 02:14 PM

Which evidence would this be?

Also of course being transsexual is not a trend. 'Transgender' is though. There is a huge difference between the two.

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Which evidence would this be?

LT made a thread about it

https://www.biospace.com/article/new...nder-identity/

Vicky. · 24-03-2018, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

LT made a thread about it

https://www.biospace.com/article/new...nder-identity/

Thanks, had not seen that, will read it now.

I have always been more than willing to accept that there may be some biological reason for people being transsexual. 'Transgender' though is just nonsense.

Greg! · 24-03-2018, 02:40 PM

I have NOWT against oldies I was just using it as an example of why people's personal tastes shouldn't lead to people being banned from places

Brillopad · 24-03-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg!

I have NOWT against oldies I was just using it as an example of why people's personal tastes shouldn't lead to people being banned from places

It has nothing to do with personal taste and everything to do with the privacy, SAFETY and the rights of half the population. The world is full of sex attacks by men on women - fact- and such a proposal puts women at risk. Simple as.