[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese smelly wrinkly man was in the same changing room as me but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

And you think that your stereotype speak will help gain sympathy for the cause you are speaking up for?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You're right, I'm not going to read from a source called "transgender trend". (Recent evidence shows it is neurological and not a choice or trend.)

Recent evidence showed it MAY be neurological and not a choice - but was based on small numbers of people. It is not conclusive as yet.

Besides what does that have to do with either self-identification of men with no clinical diagnosis claiming to be female to access female only areas or the rights of one smaller group trampling over the rights of others.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

And you think that your stereotype speak will help gain sympathy for the cause you are speaking up for?

Who am I stereotyping? Old people? Smelly people? Wrinkly people? Spill beans

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Who am I stereotyping? Old people? Smelly people? Wrinkly people? Spill beans

Old people clearly as 2 out 3 ageist comments = ageism. Maybe you think old people are smelly to - they were your words.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Who am I stereotyping? Old people? Smelly people? Wrinkly people? Spill beans

And thus you make everything you say pointless and not worth listening to.

[Greg!]

I have NOWT against oldies I was just using it as an example of why people's personal tastes shouldn't lead to people being banned from places

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Recent evidence showed it MAY be neurological and not a choice - but was based on small numbers of people. It is not conclusive as yet.

Besides what does that have to do with either self-identification of men with no clinical diagnosis claiming to be female to access female only areas or the rights of one smaller group trampling over the rights of others.

Well quite.

I have never ever had an issue with transsexual people, crack on, whatever makes you happy/feel better.

SelfID though I will always be against. Along with the lumping in of transsexual people with people who just do not follow stereotypes, crossdressers and drag queens under the 'trans' label. Transsexual people have bugger all in common with the other groups.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I have NOWT against oldies I was just using it as an example of why people's personal tastes shouldn't lead to people being banned from places

It has nothing to do with personal taste and everything to do with the privacy, SAFETY and the rights of half the population. The world is full of sex attacks by men on women - fact- and such a proposal puts women at risk. Simple as.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Old, obese, smelly and wrinkly are just adjectives. I would never personally slag someone off for being that (apart from maybe smelly as BO is absolutely disgusting - like have a wash)

so is bloke in a dress.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I have NOWT against oldies I was just using it as an example of why people's personal tastes shouldn't lead to people being banned from places

I have nowt against transpersonies

[Jack_]

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Maru

What is it about social media that makes people go out of their way to check other people's likes & other activities for what their political affiliations are? I'm starting to think the connecting with other people concept is a bit of a scam, that what it often does is enable people to stalk & harass each other... tbh, TiBB has gotten like that too. There never used to be this fixation on accosting folk for not agreeing with each other on their particular views... I remember when there was the interacting and getting to know each other and stuff... now it's I need to know them so I can determine if they're my enemy or not.

I agree with this to an extent (maybe not so much with reference to the OP though)

One of THE most annoying things about this forum and the Big Brother fandom on Twitter is the insistence EVERY series on scouring the housemates social media profiles searching for buzzwords which might bring up some not-so-palatable opinions - as if it has ANY ****ing relevance as to what they're going to be like as a housemate, or the show at all tbh it's tiresome, obsessive and frankly pathetic, and is one of the many dreadful things about modern BB

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

so is bloke in a dress.

Innacurate and offensive way to describe a trans woman though.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Omg a legend!

[Vicky.]

Why is Paris saying she is the only trans person who has ever been on QT? Jack Munroe was on a while back

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Innacurate and offensive way to describe a trans woman though.

Why is that any more offensive than shaming somebody for their age or size? You keep contradicting yourself in this thread.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why is Paris saying she is the only trans person who has ever been on QT? Jack Munroe was on a while back

Is Jack Munroe actually trans, or just specialgender nonbinary snowflake?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Why is that any more offensive than shaming somebody for their age or size? You keep contradicting yourself in this thread.

Soz I'll try and not be uncomfortable around BO ridden old men strolling around changing rooms with their dicks out in future then

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is Jack Munroe actually trans, or just specialgender nonbinary snowflake?

I think they(?) say that they're non-binary, which I personally am slightly skeptical about but that's a whole different topic

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Soz I'll try and not be uncomfortable around BO ridden old men strolling around changing rooms with their dicks out in future then

And I'll try not to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of a man I don't know, to suit your opinion.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I think they(?) say that they're non-binary, which I personally have issues with but that's a whole different topic

Ah, so she's not really trans then. Cool.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

And I'll try not to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of a man I don't know, to suit your opinion.

You don't have to worry about that though sis because this discussion isn't about men getting changed in women's changing rooms, it's about trans women being allowed to use the correct facilities. And if you still feel uncomfortable about it then that's a shame but it doesn't mean they should be banned from using certain rooms to suit how you feel. That's the point I was making.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I think they(?) say that they're non-binary, which I personally have issues with but that's a whole different topic

This is laughable

[Vicky.]

Non-binary IS trans. Going off stonewalls definitions

Though personally I reckon every damn person on this earth is non-binary

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You don't have to worry about that though sis because this discussion isn't about men getting changed in women's changing rooms, it's about trans women being allowed to use the correct facilities. And if you still feel uncomfortable about it then that's a shame but it doesn't mean they should be banned from using certain rooms to suit how you feel. That's the point I was making.

They should only be allowed if they are legally that gender not because they go around saying they are