[Tom4784]

Of course.

I think bisexual people are in an interesting position because we can see things from both sides. I have never been discriminated against when I've had a girlfriend or I've walked down the street with one. I've never had any issues with people thinking I'm straight. On the occasions I've had a boyfriend however, it's a different story. I think to say that straight people can be seriously discriminated against just isn't really true. The way the world is, straight is the default. There's never been a reason for people to believe that they aren't entitled to the same rights as gay people because they are straight, straight people have never lived in fear because they are straight. They are the natural majority and always will be.

I've never felt like I've been discriminated against because I'm a man unless it ties into my sexuality. I've never thought 'Okay, I'm a man and this situation is dangerous for me because of that.' I'm not saying that sexism against men isn't possible, but in comparison to what women have to deal with, can we really complain? Our quality of life is good.

I think people can be racist against white people but I do think that most white people that believe they are being discriminated against because they are white are kind of deluding themselves. There are instances of actual discrimination of course but most of the time white people just want to be seen as victims.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Of course.

I think bisexual people are in an interesting position because we can see things from both sides. I have never been discriminated against when I've had a girlfriend or I've walked down the street with one. I've never had any issues with people thinking I'm straight. On the occasions I've had a boyfriend however, it's a different story. I think to say that straight people can be seriously discriminated against just isn't really true. The way the world is, straight is the default. There's never been a reason for people to believe that they aren't entitled to the same rights as gay people because they are straight, straight people have never lived in fear because they are straight. They are the natural majority and always will be.

I've never felt like I've been discriminated against because I'm a man unless it ties into my sexuality. I've never thought 'Okay, I'm a man and this situation is dangerous for me because of that.' I'm not saying that sexism against men isn't possible, but in comparison to what women have to deal with, can we really complain? Our quality of life is good.

I think people can be racist against white people but I do think that most white people that believe they are being discriminated against because they are white are kind of deluding themselves. There are instances of actual discrimination of course but most of the time white people just want to be seen as victims.

so straight white people can't be discriminated against on grounds of age, religion, gender, disability, nationality etc ?????? your focus is purely on sexuality which really isn't the be all and end all of discrimination

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so straight white people can't be discriminated against on grounds of age, religion, gender, disability, nationality etc ?????? your focus is purely on sexuality which really isn't the be all and end all of discrimination

Bit of a reach there, Cherie and I think you know that.

Straight people can't really be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, in theory they can but in practice it just does not happen. White people in the western world do not have to fear racism. We just don't. Again, theoretically it's possible but a white person in the west will never face the same discrimination a black person faces.

What you are doing here is twisting things by making out that I've said that white straight people can't complain about discrimination at all and that's just a straight up fallacy on your part. Straight White people are just not likely to ever experience racism or discrimination against their sexuality. Ageism, disability, religion etc are a completely different barrel of fish and aren't reliant on race or sexuality and you know that.

What you are doing is basically muddying the discussion to try to score a cheap win while minimalising racism and homophobia.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a reach there, Cherie and I think you know that.

Straight people can't really be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, in theory they can but in practice it just does not happen. White people in the western world do not have to fear racism. We just don't. Again, theoretically it's possible but a white person in the west will never face the same discrimination a black person faces.

What you are doing here is twisting things by making out that I've said that white straight people can't complain about discrimination at all and that's just a straight up fallacy on your part. Straight White people are just not likely to ever experience racism or discrimination against their sexuality. Ageism, disability, religion etc are a completely different barrel of fish and aren't reliant on race or sexuality and you know that.

What you are doing is basically muddying the discussion to try to score a cheap win while minimalising racism and homophobia.

I’m not minimising anything you are focussing on two issues of discrimation that you obviously feel are more important that any other, as previously said this isn’t a competition, and the number of times it happens is not relevant, straight whites can experience sexual discrimination as part of a mixed race couple and a white person would rarely be welcomed into an Asian family. I see you didn’t comment on the traveller thread either which had some of the worse discrimation I have seen on TiBB and it was allowed to stand, imagine talking a black or Asian stereotype and applying it to a whole community, the masses would be baying for blood

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I’m not minimising anything you are focussing on two issues of discrimation that you obviously feel are more important that any other, as previously said this isn’t a competition, and the number of times it happens is not relevant, straight whites can experience sexual discrimination as part of a mixed race couple and a white person would rarely be welcomed into an Asian family. I see you didn’t comment on the traveller thread either which had some of the worse discrimation I have seen on TiBB and it was allowed to stand, imagine talking a black or Asian stereotype and applying it to a whole community, the masses would be baying for blood

As I sit here at a multi-family Vietnamese wedding reception where the bride is white. (My husband is part of the reception.)

But yeah stigmas are common in all walks of life. It isn't limited to specific race. All cultures have some form of ethnocentrism embedded within them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I’m not minimising anything you are focussing on two issues of discrimation that you obviously feel are more important that any other, as previously said this isn’t a competition, and the number of times it happens is not relevant, straight whites can experience sexual discrimination as part of a mixed race couple and a white person would rarely be welcomed into an Asian family. I see you didn’t comment on the traveller thread either which had some of the worse discrimation I have seen on TiBB and it was allowed to stand, imagine talking a black or Asian stereotype and applying it to a whole community, the masses would be baying for blood

This is simply a narrative that you are creating and attributing to me in order to warp what I'm saying instead of arguing against it.

I've never said that it's a competition either? I think you must have either confused my post for someone else's or you are simply reading into something that isn't there. Honestly, I don't really understand the point you are trying to make in relation to what I've said.

My points where very simple, I've experienced more discrimination when people believe me to be gay then if they believe me to be straight and that, in the western world, it's not really possible for white people to face the same issues of racism that say, a black person faces. I've never been discriminated on account of being a white person. I've also never been discriminated against when it comes to being a man, the only times it's come up is in conjunction with my sexuality.

I don't really understand how you got anything regarding a competition from that, I truly don't.

Going back to your examples, a straight white man in a mixed race relationship is not an example of sexual discrimination but of racism and it's ore often because people think the woman is not 'good enough' on accounts of her race. People aren't hating on that man because he is straight so to make out that he is being discriminated on account of his sexuality is just false. I think your point about Asian families is quite a broad stroke of a remark that is dated and not at all true for everyone. It's basically promoting a stereotype as the truth.

I didn't comment on this 'traveller thread' because I was probably busy doing something else. I don't see every thread, shockingly enough. I'm not on this forum 24/7. No one needs to comment on any thread to have their opinion validated in this thread in anyway. What you are doing with that is basically denying people their opinions unless they fulfill your quota and that's quite frankly bull****.

[Cherie]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ight=traveller


This is the worst thread I have ever seen on TiBB in terms of discrimination, every stereotype in the book was pulled out and applied to all

[ethanjames]

saying that people arent effected by slavery today is just ignorant and could be considered offensive.

[Ant.]

Been discriminated against for my disability, it's mostly been ignorant comments from people unwilling to understand or listen to why it matters or how it affects me

[Withano]

I dont understand why some of you are trying to make this a contest lol.

All types of discrimination are valid and tragic.

This whole ‘oh just a bit of racism, why dont you care about sexism?’ ‘Oh yeh, well thats similar to scottish people so shut up’ typed argument youve made yourselves is ugly and pathetic.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont understand why some of you are trying to make this a contest lol.

All types of discrimination are valid and tragic.

This whole ‘oh just a bit of racism, why dont you care about sexism?’ ‘Oh yeh, well thats similar to scottish people so shut up’ typed argument youve made yourselves is ugly and pathetic.

Maybe humans are tribal by nature?

[Cherie]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lers-prejudice

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lers-prejudice

What was ‘the traveller thread’? I dont remember seeing that one either

Edit: i just skimmed through it. It was pretty sad. Its incredibly common here too.

The news story was that an elderly guy defends himself against two burglars.
People wanted to talk about the burglars being travellers instead.

Its sad. But unfortunately, its expected. You just know that if they were muslim, people would be slating islam, or if they were immigrants, people would be talking about the parliament laws on immigration.

Idk, i havent got a solution, just a complaint.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

What was ‘the traveller thread’? I dont remember seeing that one either

Edit: i just skimmed through it. It was pretty sad. Its incredibly common here too.

The news story was that an elderly guy defends himself against two burglars.
People wanted to talk about the burglars being travellers instead.

Its sad. But unfortunately, its expected. You just know that if they were muslim, people would be slating islam, or if they were immigrants, people would be talking about the parliament laws on immigration.

Idk, i havent got a solution, just a complaint.

Incorrect, many of the people who chose to uphold the stereotypes on that thread would meltdown if such stereotypes were applied to Asians or Blacks

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Incorrect, many of the people who chose to uphold the stereotypes on that thread would meltdown if such stereotypes were applied to Asians or Blacks

...well, i guess we learned that its not always the same people then, but it does just always happen - bashing a group because of individuals is just something that tibb does constantly.

[Denver]

Skin colour is the 1st think g you get discriminated upon

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Skin colour is the 1st think g you get discriminated upon

Well I would enlarge on that and say physical appearance because how someone looks has immediate impact on others in many ways.

[AnnieK]

I understand that people will never fully know the impact and reverberations of racism unless they or their ancestors have been been impacted but trotting out phrases such as "you're ignorant" etc will not change that. Instead of insulting members education is the way to go. I personally don't feel I have been discriminated against (even though I am a woman.....and ginger). Racism, sexism etc is still rife and does need clamping down on but it will never be fully eradicated if people cannot talk about it without being told to pipe down as they are ignorant

[Withano]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I understand that people will never fully know the impact and reverberations of racism unless they or their ancestors have been been impacted but trotting out phrases such as "you're ignorant" etc will not change that. Instead of insulting members education is the way to go. I personally don't feel I have been discriminated against (even though I am a woman.....and ginger). Racism, sexism etc is still rife and does need clamping down on but it will never be fully eradicated if people cannot talk about it without being told to pipe down as they are ignorant

Ordinarily Id agree, but some conversations here have been similar to

Black people were slaves
So? Women are sold as slaves all the time, why dont you care about sexism

Education will help, true, but I don’t think Redway labelling a person like that as ‘ignorant’ is particularly unhelpful. It is ignorant, and it’s important that people know this, it would be more helpful if they were told why, agreed.

For some reason, people have been competitive with their own discrimination instead of empathetic to others, and thats pretty sad and ugly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ordinarily Id agree, but some conversations here have been similar to

Black people were slaves
So? Women are sold as slaves all the time, why dont you care about sexism

Education will help, true, but I don’t think Redway labelling a person like that as ‘ignorant’ is particularly unhelpful. It is ignorant, and it’s important that people know this, it would be more helpful if they were told why, agreed.

For some reason, people have been competitive with their own discrimination instead of empathetic to others, and thats pretty sad and ugly.

Yes that's a very good point, I have been guilty of doing that myself in the past but I realise now that it's not helpful at all to do this in discussions and topics never get discussed properly when people do it.

However this thread is slightly different as it's actually asking the question to people if they have ever been discriminated against so it kind of invites people to talk about all kinds of discrimination, surely?

**Full disclosure I haven't read much of the thread yet so I'm not sure exactly how the conversation got to where it did

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think you people know the impact of what you’ve said about black slavery/racism. You’ve well and truly crossed your boundaries on this thread but you don’t care do you. It’s all about point-scoring and minimising serious issues as far as you and a few other members on this thread are concerned.

With all due respect Redway, you've spent the entire thread telling people that because they're not part of your group they couldn't possibly understand discrimination you've faced which is fair enough on the one hand but you've also told another group (LGBT) that the discrimination they've faced isn't in the same league as yours......... isn't that a bit hypocritical?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect Redway, you've spent the entire thread telling people that because they're not part of your group they couldn't possibly understand discrimination you've faced which is fair enough on the one hand but you've also told another group (LGBT) that the discrimination they've faced isn't in the same league as yours......... isn't that a bit hypocritical?

And are you saying it’s right for black slavery to be trivialised because the same thing happened to the Scottish at one point?

These people don’t see themselves as unfairly disadvantaged because they’re Scottish. They’re perfectly happy to make light of how slavery affects people of colour today to prove a daft point about white men being victims too. And that is ignorant. I’m being as nice as I can but plenty of people in this thread have crossed their limits with things they obviously don’t know anything about. Whether they know they’ve stepped over the limit or are deliberately taking the piss is their business but there’s no other word for it than ignorance is there. Especially when some people on here don’t even want to know that they might not know the impact of what they’ve been saying on this thread.

I love how people are quick to jump on me for calling people ignorant when it’s pretty true in response to this thread. These are probably the same people who wouldn’t see anything wrong with touching a black girl’s hair and honestly wouldn’t see what was wrong in it. These are the same people that laugh at issues like racism and it’s nothing less than what I’ve called it.

That LGBT comment was in response to another person trying to minimalise racism by pointing out the obvious that LGBT people get discriminated against too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

And are you saying it’s right for black slavery to be trivialised because the same thing happened to the Scottish at one point?

These people don’t see themselves as unfairly disadvantaged because they’re Scottish. They’re perfectly happy to make light of how slavery affects people of colour today to prove a daft point about white men being victims too. And that is ignorant. I’m being as nice as I can but plenty of people in this thread have crossed their limits with things they obviously don’t know anything about. Whether they know they’ve stepped over the limit or are deliberately taking the piss is their business but there’s no other word for it than ignorance is there. Especially when some people on here don’t even want to know that they might not know the impact of what they’ve been saying on this thread.

That LGBT comment was in response to another person trying to minimalise racism by pointing out the obvious that LGBT people get discriminated against too.

I haven't mentioned a single thing about Scottish slavery so I'm not sure why you're directing that question at me?
I'm not being drawn into an argument with you about stuff I haven't even said.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I haven't mentioned a single thing about Scottish slavery so I'm not sure why you're directing that question at me?
I'm not being drawn into an argument with you about stuff I haven't even said.

I wasn’t talking about you though was I. I’m talking about other people on this thread so you can see that particular LGBT comment in the context of other people being minimalistic about other forms of discrimination in the first place.

I’ve stayed calm for the most part where other people would’ve flipped when it comes to discussing black issues with people who aren’t willing to understand. Like I say those people are the same ones who wouldn’t see an issue touching a black girl’s hair. These are the same people who actually respond with joker smilies when someone’s talking about serious issues which still affect people of colour to this day.

Like I say I’m open to discussing these things with people who are willing to understand but the people those posts were directed at aren’t. And they’re happy to minimalise someone else’s experience to bolster some weird kind of pseudo-racist agenda. But it’s cool. Those particular people obviously don’t know any better so I’ve stayed cool for the most part.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wasn’t talking about you though was I. I’m talking about other people on this thread so you can see that particular LGBT comment in the context of other people being minimalistic about other forms of discrimination in the first place.

I’ve stayed calm for the most part where other people would’ve flipped when it comes to discussing black issues with people who aren’t willing to understand. Like I say those people are the same ones who wouldn’t see an issue touching a black girl’s hair. Like I say I’m open to discussing these things with people who are willing to understand but the people those posts were directed at aren’t. And they’re happy to minimalise someone else’s experience to bolster some weird kind of pseudo-racist agenda. But it’s cool. Those particular people obviously don’t know any better so I’ve stayed cool for the most part.

All I'm saying is, it's a bit unfair to minimalise LGBT peoples experiences to make yours sound worse, like what Withano said as if it's a competition, it isn't, this thread is about all types of discrimination, so all types are being discussed, it's not one of those threads that's about racism and everyone piles in about other types of discrimination to try and minimalise racism, specifically racism towards black people which does happen alot, I agree with you there.