[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all the memory stuff is just fine but does any of it explain forgetting ALL DAY?

It wouldn't actually be forgetting all day though if she had it in her head the baby was in nursery as normal?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It wouldn't actually be forgetting all day though if she had it in her head the baby was in nursery as normal?

yes but to be under that delusion all day?

have you ever had such an spic and all day delusion like this?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes but to be under that delusion all day?

have you ever had such an spic and all day delusion like this?

Well you wouldn't think about it though If you just assumed you'd done what you did every other day, it's not like all day you're actively forgetting?

I've forgotten stuff that are part of normal routines before yeah, thankfully nothing like this though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well you wouldn't think about it though If you just assumed you'd done what you did every other day, it's not like all day you're actively forgetting?

I've forgotten stuff that are part of normal routines before yeah, thankfully nothing like this though

I would like to know what medications this lady is taking as it sounds like she was in a painkiller haze

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all the memory stuff is just fine but does any of it explain forgetting ALL DAY?

Yes. Because, again, they're not forgetting the baby exists, they think they have already dropped the baby off with who they are supposed to be with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes. Because, again, they're not forgetting the baby exists, they think they have already dropped the baby off with who they are supposed to be with.

yes you often find that people go to work thinking they have done their big shop at tesco only to get home after work and think my cupboards are empty

or indeed sleep in till 5 as they already thought they had been to work that day

that happens all the time

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you often find that people go to work thinking they have done their big shop at tesco only to get home after work and think my cupboards are empty

or indeed sleep in till 5 as they already thought they had been to work that day

that happens all the time

yep, especially single moms/dads who have to work all day long and when they come home they have nothing in their cupboards

is that what you mean LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yep, especially single moms/dads who have to work all day long and when they come home they have nothing in their cupboards

is that what you mean LT?

its isnt no

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you often find that people go to work thinking they have done their big shop at tesco only to get home after work and think my cupboards are empty

or indeed sleep in till 5 as they already thought they had been to work that day

that happens all the time

Try reading the link in Vicky's post on the previous page, which explains in detail a number of these cases and how they occurred. They don't just forget... just because. A series of factors all build up together.

Or... just carry on making unconstructive comments and feeble jokes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Try reading the link in Vicky's post on the previous page, which explains in detail a number of these cases and how they occurred. They don't just forget... just because. A series of factors all build up together.

Or... just carry on making unconstructive comments and feeble jokes.

Its easy to justify using cod science and theory as Kirk states. Do you know if this lady was on any strong prescribed or otherwise medication?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Try reading the link in Vicky's post on the previous page, which explains in detail a number of these cases and how they occurred. They don't just forget... just because. A series of factors all build up together.

Or... just carry on making unconstructive comments and feeble jokes.

exactly, true about the link in Vicky's post, it does explain this really well

[user104658]

Honestly, people who find this phenomenon far-fetched should look into things like fugue states, or the aftereffects of a corpus callosotomy (the link between the two hemispheres of the brain being severed).

Yes, they do seem utterly unbelievable. Because thankfully for most of us, most of the time, things "just work" so we get the impression that the mind and cognition are relatively stable / simple.

[user104658]

I mean just for context here; several days of sleep deprivation can cause seizures, auditory and visual hallucinations, temporary psychosis and eventually can even kill you.

Why people don't believe that in more minor cases it could cause memory tricks / lapse in concentration "for a whole day" is beyond me.

[Beso]

It wasnt to hot...78degree...maybe the mum thought the kid would be ok in the heat and is scrambling for an excuse.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It wasnt to hot...78degree...maybe the mum thought the kid would be ok in the heat and is scrambling for an excuse.

It would've been hotter inside of the car.

Another case in the article in Vicky's post, it was only early 60s but the child burned to death in 110+ inside the car.

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Why would she leave the kid purposely in the car all day instead of dropping him at day care? There's absolutely no reason she would've done this on purpose.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It would've been hotter inside of the car.

Another case in the article in Vicky's post, it was only early 60s but the child burned to death in 110+ inside the car.

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Why would she leave the kid purposely in the car all day instead of dropping him at day care? There's absolutely no reason she would've done this on purpose.

Cause shes a ****ing idiot.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Cause shes a ****ing idiot.

If she did it on purpose. Which nothing suggests that she did.

But wait.... she'd broken up with a partner so she was a *shudders* single mother. Capable of anything those creatures.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If she did it on purpose. Which nothing suggests that she did.

But wait.... she'd broken up with a partner so she was a *shudders* single mother. Capable of anything those creatures.

Again there have been many cases of kids being killed to get revenge on a partner...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If she did it on purpose. Which nothing suggests that she did.

But wait.... she'd broken up with a partner so she was a *shudders* single mother. Capable of anything those creatures.

Yeah, like holding down a 40g a year job...paying a mortgage on a 2nd house whilst renting out the other to another single mum.

All the time keeping 2 intelligent, funny friendly kids in line as they have grown into 2 mature kids at the ages of 14 and 11.....just like my little sister has managed to do.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It would've been hotter inside of the car.

Another case in the article in Vicky's post, it was only early 60s but the child burned to death in 110+ inside the car.

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Why would she leave the kid purposely in the car all day instead of dropping him at day care? There's absolutely no reason she would've done this on purpose.

You never heard of infanticide.....


Recently a woman took her dead baby onto a bus in London and then starting shouting that she had stopped breathing....the poor mite had been killed by her Mum and Stepdad beforehand, its not like its unheard of....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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You never heard of infanticide.....


Recently a woman took her dead baby onto a bus in London and then starting shouting that she had stopped breathing....the poor mite had been killed by her Mum and Stepdad beforehand, its not like its unheard of....

I never said it was unheard of?

But there is no suggestion she killed the child on purpose? So, until that time it's just been pulled out of thin air just because? Just like LT's suggestion that she was on loads of meds... apparently simply because she was single.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said it was unheard of?

But there is no suggestion she killed the child on purpose? So, until that time it's just been pulled out of thin air just because? Just like LT's suggestion that she was on loads of meds... apparently simply because she was single.

not yet, no so we just have to wait with our judgement until we know more i guess

[Nicky91]

maybe the car it was too hot, windows were probably closed, sun was shining on it fully

yes that makes it hotter than outside the car

[user104658]

I do understand your skepticism Kirk but the fact is, humans are capable of carrying out a LOT of seemingly complex tasks with very little active conscious input. Have you not ever driven a familiar journey and then realised you can remember very little of that specific journey? Driving is in theory a relatively complex task - you're doing all sorts of things, constantly, checking for traffic, overtaking, avoiding pedestrians etc. but if you were to arrive somewhere and someone said, "half way through that journey at the Driverton roundabout, did you have to stop and let vehicles pass or did you manage to drive straight on?" most likely you would have NO idea.

Or a more dramatic yet very common example (my wife does this ALL the time); we all get in the car and head off to let's say the supermarket. 10 minutes into the drive, she realises she's driven us half way to her University instead, completely "on autopilot". No memory of taking the wrong turns or why we're there. And yet, she hasn't crashed the car or run a red light or hit a pedestrian so there are all sorts of complex decisions going on, but without any actual ACTIVE cognition at all.

Or all sorts of small examples I guess. Finding the milk you just bought on the hall table and then realising your keys and wallet are in the fridge. You took those keys out of your pocket, and put them there. In the fridge. You don't remember doing it, but there they are.

A specific example for me; I can manually settle fairly complex bets in my sleep. I can settle a bet for someone, manually searching the results, calculating rule 4's, whatever... Pay them out... Half an hour later that same person can query the payout and I'll be like "which bet?" and they'll say "why do you mean? The one you did for me half an hour ago..." and I straight up half the time don't remember that I've even SEEN that customer that day, let alone that I've settled their bet. I can "coast" a 10 hour shift with basically zero conscious input.

Basically the human mind is a complete shambles and most people are FAR from totally conscious a lot of the time.

Again that doesn't mean that it's impossible that someone might fake this to deliberately harm a child, certainly that's possible, but it's also genuinely a real thing and in most cases it is a tragic accident. I said earlier, it doesn't mean the circumstances shouldn't be looked at incase there IS a reason to suspect foul play, but in the first instance, it should be assumed that it was an accident and the parent supported for trauma. If its determined that it was deliberate later, then that's another matter. But this is the sort of situation where innocence should always be assumed until proven otherwise.

[smudgie]

Perhaps she went onto auto pilot of her old routine.
Dropped the eldest child off at childcare and then went straight to work, as she would have done many many times before having the baby.
Perhaps the new baby had just started at their nursery/childcare and it totally skipped her mind.
Hopefully this case can be proven beyond doubt either way, so many different scenarios to consider.
Tragic.