[Kazanne]

I hate that word and was disappointed Lewis used it referring to her,BUT, how can people be crying over it when it is used all the time more so now than it ever was,also it was a bit random,so wondering if Zoe has told them something she has said that we haven't heard , I am pretty sure had he called someone like 'Trump' a twunt no one would have batted an eyelid,just because she has big tits and is relatively pretty doesn't make her a great housemate,she IS snide and boring.Funnyhow some are outraged over a swear word all of a sudden.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

That's why no one nominates her...that's obviously her game plan. Feed the...clean for them and keep out of arguements and get to the final.

Its hardly a foolproof gameplan, plenty HMs in the past have cooked and cleaned and it hasn't done them any favours

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You are right. They have one rule for themselves but are highly bitter towards and critical of anyone who behaves as they do. It always makes me laugh the way the irony is so lost on them!

It's like they repeatedly refer to others as snakes and reptiles when they are the most poisonous and venomous pair in there. Again they totally miss the irony.

Is it called transference, when you perceive in others the behaviour you are actually displaying yourself?

..yeah I think (..Lewis in particular..)...projects onto others...as in projecting of negativity in different and varying forms...and then he identifies and judges that negativity so will often be...’I was right, I called it’, I told you’ etc...when what he’s judging and calling is coming from him as the starting point...cause and effect.....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You've just reminded me, how did Lewis F not have his nominations taken away from him after he blatantly discussed nominations with Cameron? Cameron repeatedly even said that he didn't want to discuss nominations yet Lewis F kept doing it anyway.

And with the word ****, it should only be used when the person has done something disgraceful and imo Sian hasn't.

Yeah I was disappointed in BB with that but its part of the manipulation as they wouldn't have got the result they wanted for noms

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Pretty sure it was Lewis,and as much as I hate that word ,people have been reffered to as much worse

It was Lewis not to her but about her.
There's a difference.

My mate was hammering a nail in the wall and hit his thumb, he called the hammer it.

The sad thing is now, swear and strongly swear words are everyday use.
I hear kids use it even when they play football.

I hate the word, I hate f... and nsny others too.
I see no need for them but I come across all just as everyday language now across all ages.

I heard a lady, an old age pensioner in the supermarket , when she dropped a carton if milk, scream '' you f....ing sod''.

It's sad but it's fact.

As for Sian, I said earlier, it's puzzling to me anyone even realises she's still there to say anything about her.
It's mostly when she gets a mention from others she gets airtime as she does and says really nothing, what we see anyway,.

Maybe if we had seen more, we'd see why some have such strong feelings building against her.
The word is bad, along however with many other bad words,that sadly now are part of everyday chat unfortunately.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The worst we've heard her say is call Lewis an idiot which he is .
I don't recall her calling anyone a C ... .

I'm not even a Sian fan ,but its gotten to the point where Lewis & Cameron can do no wrong. It's like they think they own the house .

Goldie

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't like swearing, but he's not wrong about Sian. She's not as nicey nice as she tries to appear. She's a shallow, bitchy and malicious.

Whether his opinion of Sian is true or not, it doesn't justify the use of that word.

I don't particularly care for Sian but you use the words 'bitchy and malicious' to crticisize her when, in fact, Lewis is the most guilty of these characteristics, and yet he's excused and defended for being that way. She's said just a couple of bitchy things during the whole series, when he says numerous every episode so I just don't get why she is criticised but he isn't. It seems illogical to me.

I would not support a favourite mindlessly, but always remain objective enough to admit when a favourite has done wrong. And if they cross certain lines repeatedly then they become indefensible to me, and lose my support. As Lewis has done.

[Cherie]

what did she do? Is this because they believe Zoe that she was responsible for the Lewis being up for eviction?

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I find it amazing they've realised she's still there.
She got a mention from them.
Nothing worth showing directly from her herself

I might call your daughter a **** then and see how you like it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Whether his opinion of Sian is true or not, it doesn't justify the use of that word.

I don't particularly care for Sian but you use the words 'bitchy and malicious' to crticisize her when, in fact, Lewis is the most guilty of these characteristics, and yet he's excused and defended for being that way. She's said just a couple of bitchy things during the whole series, when he says numerous every episode so I just don't get why she is criticised but he isn't. It seems illogical to me.

I would not support a favourite mindlessly, but always remain objective enough to admit when a favourite has done wrong. And if they cross certain lines repeatedly then they become indefensible to me, and lose my support. As Lewis has done.

Garfie

[bots]

Do people honestly believe Sian isn't capable of dealing with someone that calls her that?

Water off a ducks back and all that. I believe Sian would be a great adversary for Lewis if he were to take that route, he wouldn't win.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Whether his opinion of Sian is true or not, it doesn't justify the use of that word.

I don't particularly care for Sian but you use the words 'bitchy and malicious' to crticisize her when, in fact, Lewis is the most guilty of these characteristics, and yet he's excused and defended for being that way. She's said just a couple of bitchy things during the whole series, when he says numerous every episode so I just don't get why she is criticised but he isn't. It seems illogical to me.

I would not support a favourite mindlessly, but always remain objective enough to admit when a favourite has done wrong. And if they cross certain lines repeatedly then they become indefensible to me, and lose my support. As Lewis has done.

She's not nice, let's put it this way

[Ammi]

..But Lewis in particular is the one who feels he owns the definition of ‘not nice’...he can be the most not nice person in the world but will never recognise his own ‘not nice’ and still feel he was nice..someone else could be a slight hint of ‘not nice’ in Lewis’ eyes and thoughts..and that will make them a reptile or a generally awful person...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's not nice, let's put it this way

based on one comment she made about Lewis attacking women again..? what else are you basing this on? she has been nothing but lovely when we have seen her in the tasks.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..But Lewis in particular is the one who feels he owns the definition of ‘not nice’...he can be the most not nice person in the world but will never recognise his own ‘not nice’ and still feel he was nice..someone else could be a slight hint of ‘not nice’ in Lewis’ eyes and thoughts..and that will make them a reptile or a generally awful person...

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's not nice, let's put it this way

You might well be right, Vanessa, and I wouldn't disagree with you here but I don't know that I've seen enough of her to be able to form any real judgement of her. She's largely been an invisible character in the background, doing and saying little from my perspective. And that's my biggest issue with her.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

well she has at least three dimensions, we saw her being very upset when Isaac and Kenaley left and felt their loss, she has been very nice in tasks and open to helping others, she has been spot on in her observations and she has dry wit which is being classed as being bitchy...I don't believe it is

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

From what we've seen I absolutely agree with this, Vanessa. Lewis definitely has the more complex, and therefore more interesting personality, which does make him much more fascinating to watch, even if it doesn't make him more likeable to some.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You might well be right, Vanessa, and I wouldn't disagree with you here but I don't know that I've seen enough of her to be able to form any real judgement of her. She's largely been an invisible character in the background, doing and saying little from my perspective. And that's my biggest issue with her.

She's staying quiet on purpose, to get to the final and win. But entertainment wise she has given us nothing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's staying quiet on purpose, to get to the final and win. But entertainment wise she has given us nothing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

...no one is one dimensional, Vanessa..it’s just that she has been judged by Lewis in particular as her dimensions not being on a par of ‘superior’ enough...he has no interest in the many sides of the personality of others...he doesn’t even attempt to get to know the sides to people...he just withdraws and isolates himself...he really isn’t a people person at all and yet he feels he knows people enough to judge them...

[Niamh.]

Can someone give me a brief summary, BOTS is on way too late for me

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's staying quiet on purpose, to get to the final and win. But entertainment wise she has given us nothing.

Again, you could well be right, and I think this was Lewis' criticism of her, and that's fair enough. I have no objection if that is his opinion of her.

However, if that's the worst that can be said of her, I don't get why it justifies such venomous criticism of her from Lewis, or how it makes her a reptile or a ****. It just seems like a very extreme reaction to me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Again, you could well be right, and I think this was Lewis' criticism of her, and that's fair enough. I have no objection if that is his opinion of her.

However, if that's the worst that can be said of her, I don't get why it justifies such venomous criticism of her from Lewis, or how it makes her a reptile or a ****. It just seems like a very extreme reaction to me.

He thinks she put him up for eviction via the mystery box courtesy of Zoe, I think this will increase support for Sian

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Again, you could well be right, and I think this was Lewis' criticism of her, and that's fair enough. I have no objection if that is his opinion of her.

However, if that's the worst that can be said of her, I don't get why it justifies such venomous criticism of her from Lewis, or how it makes her a reptile or a ****. It just seems like a very extreme reaction to me.

Yes, i also don't like the swearing. But i think he meant that she's cooking and cleaning as a way to avoid getting nominated. Also staying away from arguments and never saying out loud what she thinks.