[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No not at all, this guy did not not hit him, he pushed him off the bus for being rude and disrespectful, there is a huge difference between the two, the driver could have handled it a bit better but the message was clear, be polite or you are not getting on

The post of mine you quoted was talking about the comment that was made about "If the boy had been hit by his own parents then he wouldn't have behaved that way", so you're replying to a point I didn't make there

[Crimson Dynamo]

If my mum was baking stuff for the church and I went into the kitchen and stole some scones she would be after me with a wooden spoon and I knew it so i learned not to.

She also washed my mouth out with soap when i swore at home and I never did it again.

It was fckg horrible, the fat bitch

[y.winter]

It all comes to poor parental skills.
You don't need money or violence to avoid your kid being a little brat.

[Redway]

That’s half the world down as poor parents then.

[Tom4784]

I think when a parent resorts to violence to raise their kids then they have failed as parents.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think when a parent resorts to violence to raise their kids then they have failed as parents.

you may change your mind if you had 3 under 10 and 2 were having a tantrum and you were tired

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you may change your mind if you had 3 under 10 and 2 were having a tantrum and you were tired

You sound very sure of that LT, I have two under 10 and my youngest is (mostly) non-verbal autistic and can be very, very destructive and can lash out herself, and I'm literally always tired, often operating on 4 hours sleep and never more than 6.5. I've never so much as tapped either of them (other than playfully, as they both like to wrestle and tbh the little'un plays bloody rough) and neither has my wife . Again I'm not going to condemn every single person who has momentarily lost their cool, but you talk about it like it's an inevitability when it isn't.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you may change your mind if you had 3 under 10 and 2 were having a tantrum and you were tired

Or maybe you should not make the mistake of thinking that your patience and experiences are a baseline to hold everyone to. There are plenty of parents in worse situations that don't resort to hitting their kids. Instead of making out that everyone hits theirr kids, you should probably consider why you are endorsing it so much.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think when a parent resorts to violence to raise their kids then they have failed as parents.

Don't be silly now, this is not a violent episode

[user104658]

Here's another thought to muddy the waters;

I don't imagine for a second that people would be coming down so heavily in the driver's favour if this was a girl mouthing off, and he called her "fat bitch", threatened to "punch her face in" and physically shoved her off the bus.

Give that some thought, and think about why that wouldn't be OK. Now think about why it's apparently OK to do it to a teenage boy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's another thought to muddy the waters;

I don't imagine for a second that people would be coming down so heavily in the driver's favour if this was a girl mouthing off, and he called her "fat bitch", threatened to "punch her face in" and physically shoved her off the bus.

Give that some thought, and think about why that wouldn't be OK. Now think about why it's apparently OK to do it to a teenage boy.

I think you're crazy if you think that some people wouldn't still think it was justified tbh, remember that thread about the teenage girl who the police officer threw to the ground?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think you're crazy if you think that some people wouldn't still think it was justified tbh, remember that thread about the teenage girl who the police officer threw to the ground?

Oh I'm sure some people would, but I do think it would be fewer, with there being an idea that a "real man" wouldn't let a young boy talk to them a certain way and not respond aggressively.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh I'm sure some people would, but I do think it would be fewer, with there being an idea that a "real man" wouldn't let a young boy talk to them a certain way and not respond aggressively.

Yeah, I think the Bus Driver would have less support certainly but I still think he'd have support by a fair amount of people if it was "a chavvy girl" type thing. Either way I'm of the same opinion regardless of sex

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's another thought to muddy the waters;

I don't imagine for a second that people would be coming down so heavily in the driver's favour if this was a girl mouthing off, and he called her "fat bitch", threatened to "punch her face in" and physically shoved her off the bus.

Give that some thought, and think about why that wouldn't be OK. Now think about why it's apparently OK to do it to a teenage boy.

It’s pretty obvious why it’s not okay to do the same to a girl.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s pretty obvious why it’s not okay to do the same to a girl.

Oh I'm interested to know what the answer to that is?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I'm interested to know what the answer to that is?

You already know the answer why. I don’t need to spell it out.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

You already know the answer why. I don’t need to spell it out.

Is it because people who are bigger and physically stronger shouldn't use their bigger and stronger physicality on someone smaller and weaker?

[internetkid]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s pretty obvious why it’s not okay to do the same to a girl.

How is it any different? It is wrong to assault ANYONE regardless of their sex!!

[Redway]

Originally Posted by internetkid

How is it any different? It is wrong to assault ANYONE regardless of their sex!!

“How is it any different?”

Really? Don’t be stupid.

[Beso]

If its not OK to raise hands to a girl, why is it OK to chop of their clitirosis?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If its not OK to raise hands to a girl, why is it OK to chop of their clitirosis?

Who here’s condoning practices like that?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

Who here’s condoning practices like that?

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

And I just wonder why you aren’t taking this up with the other people on the thread who support the bus driver and not the kid.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

And I just wonder why you aren’t taking this up with the other people on the thread who support the bus driver and not the kid.

I didn't quote you pal, you took it up all on your own.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

I don't think it's fair to say Black people think it's ok to do that, I'm sure there are many many black people who don't think it's ok. But it surely is a cultural practise which is why I was saying earlier it should be ok to challenge cultural practises that are cruel and unnecessary. Equally a lot of white people also think it's ok to use hitting as a discipline, it's not a black/white thing