[bots]

the whole point of cartoons is to exaggerate reality, and that's what's happened in this case. Trump may not step over an actual dead body, but he sure doesn't give a **** either.

It's a cartoon that lacks taste for sure, but I would choose people getting upset at a cartoon over another immigrant dying in an interment camp

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the whole point of cartoons is to exaggerate reality, and that's what's happened in this case. Trump may not step over an actual dead body, but he sure doesn't give a **** either.

It's a cartoon that lacks taste for sure, but I would choose people getting upset at a cartoon over another immigrant dying in an interment camp

Well, that migrant and his daughter didn't die in a camp. It was a tragic death... but no one forced him into the river with his child. He made the decision to get into the water knowing the risk. And now his wife is left a widow with a dead daughter. They interviewed his mother in his hometown, he left for economic reasons and made that choice knowing how difficult it is entering the USA illegally. I feel sympathy for him, but most of my sympathy is for the little girl who had no choice but to trust her father's judgement. And here's a cartoon of Trump, about to step over their dead bodies. Trump, as odious a creature as he is, had no hand in the death of that father and child.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, that migrant and his daughter didn't die in a camp. It was a tragic death... but no one forced him into the river with his child. He made the decision to get into the water knowing the risk. And now his wife is left a widow with a dead daughter. They interviewed his mother in his hometown, he left for economic reasons and made that choice knowing how difficult it is entering the USA illegally. I feel sympathy for him, but most of my sympathy is for the little girl who had no choice but to trust her father's judgement. And here's a cartoon of Trump, about to step over their dead bodies. Trump, as odious a creature as he is, had no hand in the death of that father and child.

yes but the thoughts of having a better life in USA are quite too hard to resist, my sympathies are also for him but also for that little girl

getting back at the better life in usa statement

1. possible more chance at work, better salary

2. a chance for his daughter to have a good education at a proper school

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes but the thoughts of having a better life in USA are quite too hard to resist, my sympathies are also for him but also for that little girl

getting back at the better life in usa statement

1. possible more chance at work, better salary

2. a chance for his daughter to have a good education at a proper school

I understand that, but it isn't a right for people to travel from one country to another illegally even if it is for a better life. All the developed countries would be completely overrun, there won't be enough doctors, schools, jobs, food even. Are they going to say, hey, let's let everyone in case someone else drowns.

[Liam-]

The differences in those two ‘camps’ are staggering.

How can anybody think that those conditions are anywhere near being acceptable or right? Especially in the ‘superpower of the world’ or the ‘greatest’ country in the world, there is absolutely no need for these innocent children to be living in those horrendous conditions, the Trump administration, his republican lackies and anybody that defends this should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The differences in those two ‘camps’ are staggering... etc etc.

My work is concentrated in the Middle east, mostly Israel but I also work quite a bit in Jordan, mainly at the Za’atari refugee camp. There are over 80,000 people there. I'm not going to pretend that conditions are perfect, they can be volatile just like any city with 80,000+ citizens, but there is enough medical attention for everyone, there are schools, it's powered by solar energy and families are not generally split up, unless there is some unsavoury reason. People often think about the Middle East as being backward thinking, hostile, particularly to other religions but it's not been my experience.

Compare that with the conditions that refugees in the USA face and it makes me wonder which is the more backward thinking, hostile country? Even if the refugees are entering illegally, they still have to be treated like human beings and not cattle, and sadly, looking at the Trump support, I think we're in for another term of his madness.

[arista]

"anywhere near being acceptable or right?"

They are not acceptable
But they not Nazi Concentration Camps

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

"anywhere near being acceptable or right?"

They are not acceptable
But they not Nazi Concentration Camps

No, they’re Trump concentration camps

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, they’re Trump concentration camps

I'm still not happy with that term. No one's being gassed. No one's being starved and forced to work until they die of exhaustion. The camp is despicable enough without using inflammatory language to describe it... in my opinion.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm still not happy with that term. No one's being gassed. No one's being starved and forced to work until they die of exhaustion. The camp is despicable enough without using inflammatory language to describe it... in my opinion.

Concentration camps aren’t just about gassing people or mass execution, they’re camps used to keep people as political prisoners in dire conditions, which is what’s happening here.

If it makes people listen and take notice, then I don’t really see the issue with the word use, but then, I haven’t got that sort of thing in my history so

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Concentration camps aren’t just about gassing people or mass execution, they’re camps used to keep people as political prisoners in dire conditions, which is what’s happening here.

If it makes people listen and take notice, then I don’t really see the issue with the word use, but then, I haven’t got that sort of thing in my history so

I understand what a concentration camp is. Like I understand what genocide is. Using either of those words in the wrong context, to me, dilutes and minimises the occasions when those terrible words are used correctly. Here the term has been used for shock tactics. It's also misleading. I really don't think people need to exaggerate the dire conditions in there, they're shocking enough.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, they’re Trump concentration camps

Didn't bush build them?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Didn't bush build them?

When will Trump's wall?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When will Trump's wall?

Before I reply, can you be bothered?

[Tom4784]

More reports are coming out at a regular pace now, people forced to drink toilet water for the amusement of the guards, babies and pregnant women forced to sleep on rocks outside, the people in charge basically saying 'boys will be boys' to congress people visiting as a response to the abuses inflicted on these people by the guards etc.

This chapter will be yet another dark stain upon the US for years to come. If you are not deeply opposed to the goings on happening in those concentration camps then you stand on the wrong side of history.

[Parmy]

https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsn...office-103836/



Is this to much golf?

[Marsh.]

Great. Moving on.

[Kizzy]

What can I say? The guy is maniacal.. this whole period in history is turning very dark. If I let myself dwell on it too long its frightening.

[Parmy]

Dezzy...all the children that died, died in a hospital...due to disease...not in a camp..I stopped reading.


Not taken to the hospital by the parents in one case I may add in my edit...but one of Trump's lot who noticed the child was unwell.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Dezzy...all the children that died, died in a hospital...due to disease...not in a camp..I stopped reading.


Not taken to the hospital by the parents in one case I may add in my edit...but one of Trump's lot who noticed the child was unwell.

So you choose to stand on the wrong side of history, so be it. It's not down to me to change your mind if you want to ignore the plethora of abuses taking place at these camps, it's not down to me to make you see that blaming the parents for these conditions is ultimately folly. It's not down to me to invoke some empathy in you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Dezzy...all the children that died, died in a hospital...due to disease...not in a camp..I stopped reading.


Not taken to the hospital by the parents in one case I may add in my edit...but one of Trump's lot who noticed the child was unwell.

Face it parm, you're just not virtuous enough to be on this thread. And despite all the work being put in, I'm pretty sure that most people are going to continue to think you're a good bloke, rather than the monster you're being portrayed as.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Face it parm, you're just not virtuous enough to be on this thread. And despite all the work being put in, I'm pretty sure that most people are going to continue to think you're a good bloke, rather than the monster you're being portrayed as.

Thanks Livia just saw this... ..sometimes I do wonder about that.

[Tom4784]

Pence has apparently visited the concentration camp and has said all was fine while it's inmates chanted 'no showers' at him.

Micheal Scott More, a journalist held by Somali pirates for months has also responded to the lack of care from the US by revealing that the Somali pirates that held him captive gave him access to soap.

When prisoners of pirates are treated better than immigrants in US custody..... It's just unreal.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Pence has apparently visited the concentration camp and has said all was fine while it's inmates chanted 'no showers' at him.

Micheal Scott More, a journalist held by Somali pirates for months has also responded to the lack of care from the US by revealing that the Somali pirates that held him captive gave him access to soap.

When prisoners of pirates are treated better than immigrants in US custody..... It's just unreal.

The denial about the sheer lack of compassion or humanity these people are being held with is indefensible, if someone’s first thought when they see people, especially kids crammed into cages is ‘well, they shouldn’t be here anyway’ then they’re imo, morally bankrupt and there’s a staggering amount of that happening in America right now

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The denial about the sheer lack of compassion or humanity these people are being held with is indefensible, if someone’s first thought when they see people, especially kids crammed into cages is ‘well, they shouldn’t be here anyway’ then they’re imo, morally bankrupt and there’s a staggering amount of that happening in America right now

I've said it a few times and I'll say it again, this will be a human rights abuse incident which will haunt the US for years to come. It is internment all over again and the people involved will forever have a legacy that revolves around these concentration camps.

It's a moment in which people must decide which side of history they wish to stand on.