[Amy Jade]

I swear I'll go off if I pop into say tesco and some Karen is saying it's her right to not wear a mask when people in the NHS wear one for 10 hour shifts and even the shop workers who run around babysitting customers who forgot their tin of beans so needs someone to get it for them wear masks too.

I hate them, If I have to wear glasses to fill in forms it makes them steam up but I do it and so can everyone else.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I swear I'll go off if I pop into say tesco and some Karen is saying it's her right to not wear a mask when people in the NHS wear one for 10 hour shifts and even the shop workers who run around babysitting customers who forgot their tin of beans so needs someone to get it for them wear masks too.

I hate them, If I have to wear glasses to fill in forms it makes them steam up but I do it and so can everyone else.

Well said.
I agree with all of that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I swear I'll go off if I pop into say tesco and some Karen is saying it's her right to not wear a mask when people in the NHS wear one for 10 hour shifts and even the shop workers who run around babysitting customers who forgot their tin of beans so needs someone to get it for them wear masks too.

I hate them, If I have to wear glasses to fill in forms it makes them steam up but I do it and so can everyone else.

I saw two melt downs during the 'no couples' rule and they were both Asian men, and their wives were being perfectly reasonable about it, so not sure why women are being singled out here, men go shopping too!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I saw two melt downs during the 'no couples' rule and they were both Asian men, and their wives were being perfectly reasonable about it, so not sure why women are being singled out here, men go shopping too!

No one said it was just women Cherie, men can be Karens too, because schrodinger's gender does not exist and is simultaneously the most important aspect of identity. Its 2020, you're lagging behind.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one said it was just women Cherie, men can be Karens too, because schrodinger's gender does not exist and is simultaneously the most important aspect of identity. Its 2020, you're lagging behind.

[Tom4784]

If surgeons can wear masks AND visors to perform heart surgery, people can wear face coverings for a ten minute jaunt around Aldi.

[Smithy]

Can’t wait for all the people that won’t wear a mask to kick off in November when we don’t want to wear a poppy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Can’t wait for all the people that won’t wear a mask to kick off in November when we don’t want to wear a poppy

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Can’t wait for all the people that won’t wear a mask to kick off in November when we don’t want to wear a poppy

So much this

[Cherie]

Lots of very long posts on this ...the only law you need to know is shops are private property so they can deny you entry...like they have done for topless men and people in PJs

[Livia]

Who could possibly have a problem with covering their face in shops until the threat is over, or at least much diminished. People can be sooo stupid and selfish.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who could possibly have a problem with covering their face in shops until the threat is over, or at least much diminished. People can be sooo stupid and selfish.

There’s some

Apparently not wearing a mask is better because it’s nice and social...

It’s about time this is happening and i think it should have been done weeks ago tbh, people should start getting use to them because this threat isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and there’s a potential second wave.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

There’s some

Apparently not wearing a mask is better because it’s nice and social...

[Cherie]

I have always worn a mask

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have always worn a mask

Not 6 inches of makeup.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LukeB

There’s some



Apparently not wearing a mask is better because it’s nice and social...



It’s about time this is happening and i think it should have been done weeks ago tbh, people should start getting use to them because this threat isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and there’s a potential second wave.

To be fair, I think that's why it is happening now, while cases are low and there's actually a very low risk of infection in the community anyway. If (I'm trying to be optimistic and stop saying "when") cases start to increase again towards winter, people will be used to the idea of wearing masks.

[bots]

are we all going to need new passport photos taken wearing a mask?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

are we all going to need new passport photos taken wearing a mask?

I think obviously at airports, you'd simply lower the mask for a few seconds. It does pose an interesting question shen it comes to ID in shops for age verification, though. An awful lot of mask-touching going on if you have to remove it for an age check.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think obviously at airports, you'd simply lower the mask for a few seconds. It does pose an interesting question shen it comes to ID in shops for age verification, though. An awful lot of mask-touching going on if you have to remove it for an age check.

isn't age check done with actual ID

oh ignore me I get what you mean now, blue eyes with a brown eyed DL would be a bit of a giveaway though

[Beso]

KNOW THE LAW!

Remember, according to social distancing, shop staff cannot “touch” you or come within 1 metre without breaking guidelines, (but of course they touch everything you’re buying) and if you refuse to wear a mask in their shop they cannot physically throw you out, but can only call the police to enforce a government 'guideline'. The big problem for the police is that that would be breaking the Law if they tried to enforce a 'guideline', because police can only legally enforce Criminal Law.

If the police detain you, or arrest you because, naturally, you have refused to cooperate, they are then guilty of unlawful detention, which comes under the criminal code of 'kidnapping'.
If they try to fine you, without first 'kidnapping' you, you are not obliged to give them any information, not even your name, and without your name they cannot issue a fine.

If they find out your name, by whatever means and then issue a fine, you can simply state that you refuse to accept or pay any fine and they will then be obliged to caution you, which would be totally illegal since you will not have committed any crime (guidelines being optional to follow) and again, they would not be enforcing any law.

Know the difference: Guidelines come under 'civil law' and crimes come under 'criminal law'. The police are not allowed to enforce 'civil law' - only the local authority and the civil courts can attempt to do that. So, demand that the Court issue you with a date for an appearance, and when/if you go to court your defence will be illegal detention and kidnapping, and in the civil court you will be able to demand substantial compensation as a counter-claim from the police, plus insist that criminal charges are brought against the arresting and detaining officers.

Now, nobody says that it will get to that stage, indeed it would be very unlikely to, but can you imagine how the Courts will be clogged up for years, perhaps decades, trying to process those bloody awkward bastards who had the bald-faced cheek to know the Law and also know their civil rights.

PS: Ensure you use your phone and record the whole even, to be used as leverage and evidence. But just remember this one fact - the police cannot enforce civil Law and therefore have no rights in determining whether or not you have to wear a mask, just because the government says so. That process would be called a 'dictatorship' and we are not quite there yet, despite this government's valiant attempts to make it so.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

KNOW THE LAW!

Remember, according to social distancing, shop staff cannot “touch” you or come within 1 metre without breaking guidelines, (but of course they touch everything you’re buying) and if you refuse to wear a mask in their shop they cannot physically throw you out, but can only call the police to enforce a government 'guideline'. The big problem for the police is that that would be breaking the Law if they tried to enforce a 'guideline', because police can only legally enforce Criminal Law.

If the police detain you, or arrest you because, naturally, you have refused to cooperate, they are then guilty of unlawful detention, which comes under the criminal code of 'kidnapping'.
If they try to fine you, without first 'kidnapping' you, you are not obliged to give them any information, not even your name, and without your name they cannot issue a fine.

If they find out your name, by whatever means and then issue a fine, you can simply state that you refuse to accept or pay any fine and they will then be obliged to caution you, which would be totally illegal since you will not have committed any crime (guidelines being optional to follow) and again, they would not be enforcing any law.

Know the difference: Guidelines come under 'civil law' and crimes come under 'criminal law'. The police are not allowed to enforce 'civil law' - only the local authority and the civil courts can attempt to do that. So, demand that the Court issue you with a date for an appearance, and when/if you go to court your defence will be illegal detention and kidnapping, and in the civil court you will be able to demand substantial compensation as a counter-claim from the police, plus insist that criminal charges are brought against the arresting and detaining officers.

Now, nobody says that it will get to that stage, indeed it would be very unlikely to, but can you imagine how the Courts will be clogged up for years, perhaps decades, trying to process those bloody awkward bastards who had the bald-faced cheek to know the Law and also know their civil rights.

PS: Ensure you use your phone and record the whole even, to be used as leverage and evidence. But just remember this one fact - the police cannot enforce civil Law and therefore have no rights in determining whether or not you have to wear a mask, just because the government says so. That process would be called a 'dictatorship' and we are not quite there yet, despite this government's valiant attempts to make it so.

The Karen energy in this copy and paste, far too much.

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't shops have the right to serve who they want, Dezzy? As long as it's not discriminatory in nature, of course, and public health/safety of their staff most definitely couldn't be labelled as such.

[Cherie]

funny how no one had an issue with being paid their wages by the government to stay at home, but cover your nose and mouth, I don't think so, the government wont tell me what to do

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Don't shops have the right to serve who they want, Dezzy? As long as it's not discriminatory in nature, of course, and public health/safety of their staff most definitely couldn't be labelled as such.

Pretty much, if someone refuses to leave, shop workers can and will call the police and no karen interpretation of the laws will save them from being arrested.

There's gonna be a lot of fines issued out to morons when this comes into effect.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Karen energy in this copy and paste, far too much.

That actually came from a lefty.