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Tom4784 · 07-03-2021, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

What if they were an arsehole that brought attention to the family when your dad was on his death bed

Ah, so recording an interview and the channel airing it at some point is akin to being a child rapist to you.

What an interesting sense of morality you have.

Beso · 07-03-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so recording an interview and the channel airing it at some point is akin to being a child rapist to you.

What an interesting sense of morality you have.

No..its a comparison I made up just like the one you did..

Mine is more on point.. do you have an answer for it?

Tom4784 · 07-03-2021, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

No..its a comparison I made up just like the one you did..

Mine is more on point.. do you have an answer for it?

I don't have an answer for incoherent babbling, no.

jet · 07-03-2021, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

If a son or daughter of mine raped children, they would be my child no more. I'd drag them to the police station myself. No amount of parental love could excuse such monstrous actions.

But if it hadn't been conclusively proven that your son had sex with an underage girl and he said he was innocent, as is the case here, what would you do?

Tom4784 · 07-03-2021, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

But if it hadn't been conclusively proven that your son had sex with an underage girl and he said he was innocent, as is the case here, what would you do?

I'd believe the evidence. You can keep moving the goalposts, but it won't change my answer. I would not shield a rapist, regardless of the circumstances.

jet · 07-03-2021, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd believe the evidence. You can keep moving the goalposts, but it won't change my answer. I would not shield a rapist, regardless of the circumstances.

It's you who are moving the goalposts. Imagine it is your son, what evidence have you so far that you would state that your loved one is a rapist.

Tom4784 · 07-03-2021, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

It's you who are moving the goalposts. Imagine it is your son, what evidence have you so far that you would state that your loved one is a rapist.

He says, just before trying to move the goalposts in the very next sentence.

I don't forgive rape, I would not call someone who could do that to a child my son. That is my answer, no amount of moving the goalposts and twisting what I say will change it.

smudgie · 07-03-2021, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jet

But if it hadn't been conclusively proven that your son had sex with an underage girl and he said he was innocent, as is the case here, what would you do?

I would support him all I could, until a court found him guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty for me.

jet · 07-03-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smudgie

I would support him all I could, until a court found him guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty for me.

Absolutely. Any loving mother or father would.

rusticgal · 07-03-2021, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

If a son or daughter of mine raped children, they would be my child no more. I'd drag them to the police station myself. No amount of parental love could excuse such monstrous actions.

You can hardly drag a 61 year old man to a police station....and he IS being investigated....not many would completely disown their children.

Tom4784 · 07-03-2021, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

You can hardly drag a 61 year old man to a police station....and he IS being investigated....not many would completely disown their children.

It sounds like you're passing more judgement on me, for saying I would disown a child rapist, than you are for the said child rapist in question.

rusticgal · 07-03-2021, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It sounds like you're passing more judgement on me, for saying I would disown a child rapist, than you are for the said child rapist in question.

No I’m not...sorry because I didn’t have time to finish that post the way I would have liked. I don’t know whether you have children or not. Sometimes it’s easy to say that if you don’t have children. If you do...then I respect your honesty. I too would drag my child down to a police station...it would ruin my life if a child of mine were guilty of an abhorrent crime...but personally I would never disown them.

Amy Jade · 07-03-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

You can hardly drag a 61 year old man to a police station....and he IS being investigated....not many would completely disown their children.

he has been repeatedly asked to volunteer his time to go and help investigations and has so far not gone. His age is irrelevant.

rusticgal · 07-03-2021, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade

he has been repeatedly asked to volunteer his time to go and help investigations and has so far not gone. His age is irrelevant.

His age is relevant to the point that a 90+ year old woman is hardly going to grab her 61 year old son by the scruff of the neck and drag him kicking and screaming in a car and take him to a police station...
The U.S say they have asked him to cooperate but it’s been denied by the Palace...he could I guess be sopaenad and if he does then we will be sure to know about it.

Amy Jade · 07-03-2021, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

His age is relevant to the point that a 90+ year old woman is hardly going to grab her 61 year old son by the scruff of the neck and drag him kicking and screaming in a car and take him to a police station...
The U.S say they have asked him to cooperate but it’s been denied by the Palace...he could I guess be sopaenad and if he does then we will be sure to know about it.

*sigh*

Nobody is expecting the Queen to take him down to the local police station like a mum that's found out their kid robbed someone's garden gnome and wants to give him a scare.

The palace are blatantly protecting him though and lying, people have gone on TV multiple times to say that he was asked to help investigations and he still hasn't and most likely will never help until he is forced to do so.

Amy Jade · 07-03-2021, 06:49 PM

Parm you know I think your a nice guy but wtf tonight

Beso · 07-03-2021, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Parm you know I think your a nice guy but wtf tonight

I've said it for ages..

Andrew is Harry's favourite uncle.. that is a fact.

joeysteele · 07-03-2021, 06:55 PM

I don't say much re Prince Andrew, as there are criminal proceedings to be done.

I am stunned he hasn't voluntarily gone to the USA to ' assist' in this case.
His interview was a non event which didn't go well.

However, yes, the Queen and the Palace is protecting him, keeping him out the public eye and no more interviews or appearances, even as to those investigating in the USA.

Yes, he's the Queen's son, well what does she know, that he needs to be hidden away under her protective shield.

If any of her subjects could be thought to be needed to assist In a criminal investigation, she for sure wouldn't be wanting to see anyone, family or otherwise, protecting them from talking about it to officials.

This is another example of what's wrong with the stifling Royal set up and regime.
Where even if any were to want to say more, they likely have to shut up.

Well, that's why if I have any admiration for Meghan Markle, it's that she refused to be shut up and just tow the Royal rigid line.

Of course that then means, she loses that controlling rigid protective Royal set up shield.
So well done to her on that.

As for Prince Andrew, he has a colourful past in any event.

However, at present he himself has not been accused of anything.
It seems the investigators of the case just wanted to talk with him.

He could do an interview to talk about it on TV, but not go and talk TO the Investigators.
Why, to that is another question.

The Queen isn't wrong to protect him if innocent, I can't grasp why she supports him at least not going to talk to the investigation officials in the USA however.

joeysteele · 07-03-2021, 07:30 PM

Speaking for myself only and I haven't been asked I admit.
My Parents, were I implicated in a crime or could assist with getting the facts of one.
Would not support me being silent.

If I'd also really done wrong, I was brought up to believe if you've done wrong, own up to it.
Which they'd have also pushed me to do.

Yes, they'd likely still have been there for me but through it, NOT to avoid it.

I have to say too, who is on their deathbed?
Apparently Prince Philip is improving, is likely to be back home In a week or so.
So the deathbed scenario doesn't apply.

Again however, people who feel the need strongly to say or reveal something, should be able to do so, in my view anyway.

Beso · 07-03-2021, 07:31 PM

My son is guilty of the most heinous of crimes cause nosey joyce said so..

I'm the type of father that allows my sons to bring shame on my family as my father lies on his deathbed...cause
I dont give a **** what other people think...

Apart from nosey joyce.

Her word is gospel.