[Ammi]

…’14yr old kids walked out’….one child walked out of class according to reports…

..’just for teaching kids how to pronounce a word’….but ‘it was probably a mistake to use it in any context’….a complete contradiction…obviously it would be looked into why indeed it was used as it wasn’t a wise choice to use it…


….so the word was used and Andrew Neil in his own words said that he didn’t feel as though it was wise to use the word in any context, leading to the school looking into why it was used…and without that context yet given in explanation…OUTRAGE/WOKENeSs etc is being screamed anyway…let’s not wait for the context that was important to have but the word wasn’t necessary to be used in any context according to this discussion…they sound a little confused…silly OUTRAGE culture….


…through time if there are any thoughts of concern with a school…(…or other areas…)…then raising those concerns is what has always been encouraged…and when that happens, WOKE is now screamed in accusation….which effectively is a silencing cancel culture being promoted…calling the investigation of the context and reasoning for using it isn’t a ‘disciplinary investigation’ either….just all emotive and misleading…

[thesheriff443]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink

The world will never think as one because it has more than one religion
The world will never think as one because men and women are not the same
The world will never think as one because we don’t all look the same
The world will never think as one because we don’t earn the same

Above are some of the fundamental reasons we will never see the world as one

[thesheriff443]

Would a kind member up load a YouTube video in this thread as it sums up part of life’s issues christy Moore ordinary man

[Ammi]

Youtube video

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Youtube video

Thank you ammi xx

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The road to hell is paved with good intentions
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink

The world will never think as one because it has more than one religion
The world will never think as one because men and women are not the same
The world will never think as one because we don’t all look the same
The world will never think as one because we don’t earn the same

You can't fit quicker than a KwikFit fitter.

[Livia]

Wokeness to me means getting all twisted out of shape because someone mis-gendered someone and going on a crusade over it, while ignoring the girls undergoing FGM every year in the Middle East and Africa. Hundreds of thousands of girls every year... I hardly ever see any outrage over it. In fact when I've brought it up in the past the replies have included "Yeah, but... doesn't your religion circumcise boys". Like it's the same thing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Youtube video

legend

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As this is obviously the biggest insult on this island at the moment, I'd like for some of the folks who believe it's a negative, to explain exactly what it means, to help the rest of us, and me in particular, understand exactly why it's a problem.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, but I only want to read your personal opinions; not daily mail comments, telegraph articles, or song requests.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Exceptions should be made for the legend that is Christy Moore though tbf

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Livia

Wokeness to me means getting all twisted out of shape because someone mis-gendered someone and going on a crusade over it, while ignoring the girls undergoing FGM every year in the Middle East and Africa. Hundreds of thousands of girls every year... I hardly ever see any outrage over it. In fact when I've brought it up in the past the replies have included "Yeah, but... doesn't your religion circumcise boys". Like it's the same thing.

No actually I think you'll find 'woke' is over used as an insult for anyone ...who's usually a far left/ democrat supporter who call out various injustices and have different opinions on politics . You could literally call out Boris' shambles and be called "woke" or "snowflake", that's how ridiculous it's become .

And I haven't seen anyone excusing the horrific FGM issue that's happening around the world, nobody can defend that. People probably bring up the whole 'Male circumcision' because they they themselves don't agree with it or they think it's unnecessary . And of course it's not the same.

But there's been terrible instances where circumcised babies have had infections passed onto them through the process. Hopefully those are a rare occurrence though.

[user104658]

Youtube video

A bop.

Also... the top comment

Every time he says "Facts don't care about your feelings" I just imagine Ben Shapiro jamming this in his car wearing his little hat.

I squeaked.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exceptions should be made for the legend that is Christy Moore though tbf

Absolutely, true honest and beautiful songs that can be found in a lot of Irish music like his.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Wokeness to me means getting all twisted out of shape because someone mis-gendered someone and going on a crusade over it, while ignoring the girls undergoing FGM every year in the Middle East and Africa. Hundreds of thousands of girls every year... I hardly ever see any outrage over it. In fact when I've brought it up in the past the replies have included "Yeah, but... doesn't your religion circumcise boys". Like it's the same thing.

But by the same token, when you complain about fgm with your history of referring to the same brown middle eastern people as trash, and regularly slut shaming, it's difficult to treat your opinions as sincere on this subject

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

But by the same token, when you complain about fgm with your history of referring to the same brown middle eastern people as trash, and regularly slut shaming, it's difficult to treat your opinions as sincere on this subject

Well all that aside as it's nothing to do with me, and im not too familiar with Livia's posts, don't you thing she makes a point? We do, in the western world, seem to put a lot of effort and time into finding problems that don't really exist. Should we really be worrying more about misgenedring children, or referring to them as 'learners' more than those going through horrific ordeals in the middle east and Africa? This is not to mention the forced marriages at the age of 11/12 to much older men. Or homosexuality punishable by death.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well all that aside as it's nothing to do with me, and im not too familiar with Livia's posts, don't you thing she makes a point? We do, in the western world, seem to put a lot of effort and time into finding problems that don't really exist. Should we really be worrying more about misgenedring children, or referring to them as 'learners' more than those going through horrific ordeals in the middle east and Africa? This is not to mention the forced marriages at the age of 11/12 to much older men. Or homosexuality punishable by death.

I don't necessarily disagree entirely but there's a lot of study in this area and some very good arguments for why the "there's starving kids in Africa" argument isn't usually very helpful. Essentially it's generally the case that "there are others worse off" is used as an excuse to do nothing at all about any of it rather than as a refocus on other issues.

If anything I'm inclined to say it works better COMPLETELY the other way; people's energy is generally best spent as close to home as possible. Not even "in the west" or "in our own country" but literally within our own towns and communities.

That's not to say we should ignore the wider issues facing people across the world entirely, but there are very sound psychological explanations for why it's harder to have true empathy for people whose worlds are very different to our own, and that being overly determined to "heal the world" usually results in little more than compassion fatigue, becoming jaded, and failing to actually help anyone near or far. Just a lot of talk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well all that aside as it's nothing to do with me, and im not too familiar with Livia's posts, don't you thing she makes a point? We do, in the western world, seem to put a lot of effort and time into finding problems that don't really exist. Should we really be worrying more about misgenedring children, or referring to them as 'learners' more than those going through horrific ordeals in the middle east and Africa? This is not to mention the forced marriages at the age of 11/12 to much older men. Or homosexuality punishable by death.

or the fact that "wokeness" caused Rotherham

and the fact that white working class kids have been totally forgotten in the UK

White working-class pupils ‘neglected’ by education system for decades

(all media today)

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or the fact that "wokeness" caused Rotherham

and the fact that white working class kids have been totally forgotten in the UK

White working-class pupils ‘neglected’ by education system for decades

(all media today)

Oh really
I'm pretty sure the government are a big part of these problems,but no no continue to blame "wokeness" why don't you .

And there's working class people from all backgrounds that need help & support .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or the fact that "wokeness" caused Rotherham

and the fact that white working class kids have been totally forgotten in the UK

White working-class pupils ‘neglected’ by education system for decades

(all media today)

Meanwhile, in the real world...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Meanwhile, in the real world...

i will just...leave....this...here...

Spoiler:

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i will just...leave....this...here...

Spoiler:

Not the first time you've brought this up, and I'll repeat again what i told you all the other times. There is nothing extraordinary about that note, it's been the kind of note chancellors have left incoming chancellors from other parties forever. The only difference here, is that it was seized upon and used as propaganda in what would be a sign of things to come for this generation of liars.

When witticisms become weapons

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...ider-tradition

This all happened on the back of the 2008 world wide financial crisis, so it's not even as though there was a choice. However, even on the back of all that information, what you can't even begin to explain away, is the fact our finances are horrendously worse now than they ever were under that labour government, and if you can find me saying anything positive about Blairite labour, then you've got some magic beans.


We owe more money, we have more debt, it's worse as a percentage of gdp, etc, etc, etc, etc.

But "man left note." shows how willfully people will lie and manipulate to defend ideology

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As this is obviously the biggest insult on this island at the moment, I'd like for some of the folks who believe it's a negative, to explain exactly what it means, to help the rest of us, and me in particular, understand exactly why it's a problem.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, but I only want to read your personal opinions, not daily mail comments or telegraph articles.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Meanwhile, in the real world...

I note you are not following your own rules

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

[/B]


I note you are not following your own rules

Yeah, I wasn't really worried about myself spamming threads with telegraph or nonce-enabler, and LT favourite Jim Davidson nonsense, and if you could see deleted posts, you'd see why I asked for peoples opinions, not spam.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not the first time you've brought this up, and I'll repeat again what i told you all the other times. There is nothing extraordinary about that note, it's been the kind of note chancellors have left incoming chancellors from other parties forever. The only difference here, is that it was seized upon and used as propaganda in what would be a sign of things to come for this generation of liars.

When witticisms become weapons

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...ider-tradition

This all happened on the back of the 2008 world wide financial crisis, so it's not even as though there was a choice. However, even on the back of all that information, what you can't even begin to explain away, is the fact our finances are horrendously worse now than they ever were under that labour government, and if you can find me saying anything positive about Blairite labour, then you've got some magic beans.


We owe more money, we have more debt, it's worse as a percentage of gdp, etc, etc, etc, etc.

But "man left note." shows how willfully people will lie and manipulate to defend ideology

and here again you have quoted the Guardian which comes back to my point sometimes you need a link to back up an opinion, in my opinion of course!

You can't be dictating for others to abide by these self made rules if you don't abide by them yourself in my humble opinion

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and here again you have quoted the Guardian which comes back to my point sometimes you need a link to back up an opinion, in my opinion of course!

You can't be dictating for others to abide by these self made rules if you don't abide by them yourself in my humble opinion

Providing a link is not the same as spamming the thread with stupid massive pictures and nonsense. It just isn't, and it shouldn't need to be explained if we're being honest.

it's the same reason I don't have a problem with TS posting the music vid and I only made light of the sheriff music vid - I know they're not going to start spamming. I don't think I could have been fairer - by saying all are welcome, but I want your opinions, I really think I've opened the thread up to more people than most threads on here