[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I shall refer you to the year 2021 and why the world is still up in arms about who's jesus.

Debates about history and religion is not repeating past mistakes. People still theorise about all kinds of history. Nothing you've said has changed the fact that your stance is one not backed up by any facts or logic.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, look at Diana, I'm fairly sure you've held her up as an argument for your beliefs in the past, and the moment I use her to argue against a point you've made. You shift gears and make out she died because she went to see her 'fancy man'.

Instead of admitting the failures of your argument, you twisted things around to support a failing argument. You held contrasting beliefs and you warped one to support the other.

I've never mentioned diana on here....I think she was a **** mum, so i reckon if i have mentioned her it would have been along those lines.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It proves my argument in my head...

Well, as long as it makes sense in your head.

Originally Posted by parmnion

Any stats that prove teaching history works?

You mean apart from all the progress we've made down the generations? Sure.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've never mentioned diana on here....

Except when you did...

Originally Posted by parmnion

Diana didnt die because of the system.
She died in a tunnel, miles and miles and miles away from her 2 precious boys, probably on the way to a shagging session with her fancy man.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Debates about history and religion is not repeating past mistakes. People still theorise about all kinds of history. Nothing you've said has changed the fact that your stance is one not backed up by any facts or logic.

Debates is fine for adults. But , it's when some young kid gets a reason to hate taught to them..that's when it changes for me.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, as long as it makes sense in your head.



You mean apart from all the progress we've made down the generations? Sure.

History didnt change the slave trade

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It proves my argument in my head...

So I'm fine with it..

Any stats that prove teaching history works?

If people didn't learn from history, we'd have had a few more world wars by now, black people would probably still have fewer rights than white people in america, women would have probably had rights stripped away from them again and being gay would be illegal.

Learning from the past works because there's proof of it everywhere you look.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except when you did...

Along those lines.

Useless post, you need that deducted from your post count tbh.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

History didnt change the slave trade

Except it did. You're getting confused about what you're trying to argue against.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If people didn't learn from history, we'd have had a few more world wars by now, black people would probably still have fewer rights than white people in america, women would have probably had rights stripped away from them again and being gay would be illegal.

Learning from the past works because there's proof of it everywhere you look.

Yes..I agree.

But the world has stabilised enough now for the past to be untaught in schools.

If its taught more it just gives the worlds kids an opportunity to begin hating and using again on a selected target.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except it did. You're getting confused about what you're trying to argue against.

It did not. There was no history of american slavery, it just happened, then was abolished


Nothing to do with history at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes..I agree.

But the world has stabilised enough now for the past to be untaught in schools.

If its taught more it just gives the worlds kids an opportunity to begin hating and using again on a selected target.

So your argument is basically.... I'm sick of racism talk, I'm white and I'm not racist so let's forget it because it makes me uncomfortable to discuss. Rather than any actual incidence of history in schools causing this so-called hate.

Ok.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So your argument is basically.... I'm sick of racism talk, I'm white and I'm not racist so let's forget it because it makes me uncomfortable to discuss. Rather than any actual incidence of history in schools causing this so-called hate.

Ok.

The slave trade has nothing to do with racism...it was merely money motivated.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The slave trade has nothing to do with racism...it was merely money motivated.

Again, changing your argument this late in the game is not going to work.

You've gone from claiming history of the slave trade being taught creates racism to the slave trade is not about race. Have you forgotten what your point was?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again, changing your argument this late in the game is not going to work.

You've gone from claiming history of the slave trade being taught creates racism to the slave trade is not about race. Have you forgotten what your point was?

I've made my point, you just dont understand it.


I've had, and said my piece on this subject..

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It did not. There was no history of american slavery, it just happened, then was abolished


Nothing to do with history at all.

Nah, you're talking yourself in circles.

Saying that history is pointless because it can't prevent something that didn't happen in history before is ridiculous. Tell me, since slavery was abolished, have we as a nation led any boats to africa to kidnap people to sell on as slaves? Have black people been regularly enslaved in the US?

The problem is that you're constantly trying to change the goalposts and worm your way out of admitting you're wrong when you don't really have another option. You can't argue against people learning from history's mistakes since pretty much all our civil advances over the years have been reliant on learning from past injustices and so now you're trying to make out that history shouldn't be taught because it couldn't something from happening that didn't happen before.

The slave trade happened, it was abolished and people learned from it, which is why Europe isn't running a modern day slave trade today.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The slave trade has nothing to do with racism...it was merely money motivated.

Of course it did, white people saw black people as being lesser which is why they sold them like animals. Denying the racism of the situation is as pointless as saying that history shouldn't be taught.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've made my point, you just dont understand it.


I've had, and said my piece on this subject..

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Of course it did, white people saw black people as being lesser which is why they sold them like animals. Denying the racism of the situation is as pointless as saying that history shouldn't be taught.

some "white" people did

The VAST MAJORITY had nothing to do with it

I learned that in History lessons

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

some "white" people did

The VAST MAJORITY had nothing to do with it

I learned that in History lessons

What was the US civil war about? Vast majority suggests at least 80%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What was the US civil war about? Vast majority suggests at least 80%.

im talking about the world, not North America and even if i was the figure stands in terms of involvement in the trade.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

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And that doesn't stop me from responding as I please.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I learned that in History lessons

Sure.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

surely you watched ROOTS?

everyone of a certain age on this forum must have?

Not everyone has seen Roots , and schools are very limited with what they actually teach. I remember thinking how weird it is how the focus was mostly on Henry the 8th and Hastings 1066 etc.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Cause kids are far to impressionable.

Kids are also inquisitive, so maybe we should quit trying to water down history .