[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You look like a real fan, Parm.

I went once, wanted to deep fry them all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

I went once, wanted to deep fry them all.

Lol... Now that i would buy a ticket to watch.

[MTVN]

I see both sides of the debate really. Fundamentally I think it's a pretty harmless practice and while it might be a bit sad and a bit pervy the reality is that you'll never be able to completely de-sexualise society. Saying that I don't think it's needed and it doesn't really add anything. I've almost never heard people lamenting the absence of walk on girls since they were scrapped

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I see both sides of the debate really. Fundamentally I think it's a pretty harmless practice and while it might be a bit sad and a bit pervy the reality is that you'll never be able to completely de-sexualise society. Saying that I don't think it's needed and it doesn't really add anything. I've almost never heard people lamenting the absence of walk on girls since they were scrapped

I think that I can understand your view tbh.

And I agree that it's not really needed.

[bots]

it really all depends on the environment. Will it be professional or seedy

[Liam-]

Christ alive, if infantilising grown women was an Olympic sport QB would take gold, this is actually some insanely infantile, teenage twitter sjw nonsense

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Christ alive, if infantilising grown women was an Olympic sport QB would take gold, this is actually some insanely infantile, teenage twitter sjw nonsense

It's not about infantilising anyone it's about people drooling over people young enough to be their children. But then, I recall you being fully accepting of 50 year old Philip Schofield grooming 16 year old boys "cos it's legal" so I'm not surprised you feel this way Liam.

It's also an aside because the dart "walk-on girls" would be exploitative, gross and misogynistic no matter what age the women were. It's just an additional level of slime that 60 year old men want it to be women in their late teens and early 20's. A similar slime to middle-aged-men wining and dining teenage boys, funnily enough.

[user104658]

Also not going unnoticed that the one time Liam is aligning with the older forum chaps - who he's usually out in full riot gear to combat - is when it's to defend male exploitation, objectification and commoditisation of women.

"lol".

Like I said, OnlyFans all over again.

.

[MTVN]

Tbf you do keep hammering home the 'could be their children' point and called them nonces so that is a bit infantilising to equate it with paedophilia. Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbf you do keep hammering home the 'could be their children' point and called them nonces so that is a bit infantilising to equate it with paedophilia. Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

Comparing people to sex offenders because they find adult women attractive, it’s ****ing insane

[Liam-]

You’re coming across really unhinged like you do around any subject of sex or women doing whatever they want to, you seem to have a massive problem with women living their lives however they want to, your vision of what women should be and what they should do perfectly align with the old sexist chaps and the likes of Tate you’re regularly railing against.

It’s incredibly condescending to tell adult women that they’re naive or being exploited if they chose to do a career you believe is immoral because you have an obscured sense of purity and morality

[MTVN]

I'm actually pretty against porn and prostitution these days but I think it's pretty crude to draw an equivalence between that and this. Those two things do way more societal harm. I know it's being presented as a 'slippery slope' or 'thin end of the wedge' type thing but it that's the case then where does that wedge or slope begin? People are always going to be attracted to other people and there will always be industries which capitalise on that one way or another. It happens all throughout acting, singing, modelling etc.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm actually pretty against porn and prostitution these days but I think it's pretty crude to draw an equivalence between that and this. I know it's being presented as a 'slippery slope' or 'thin end of the wedge' type thing but it that's the case then where does that wedge or slope begin? People are always going to be attracted to other people and there will always be industries which capitalise on that one way or another. It happens all throughout acting, singing, modelling etc.

It begins when it's gratuitously commoditised for money as the singular scope of what it is. Which this unambiguously is. Yes singers/actors/etc are sexualised and there's far more grey area there, because the sexualisation is being used to attract to the product, is isn't THE product in and of itself.

There is zero reason for the walk-on girls other than "to be looked at". They serve no purpose in darts. Zero. It literally is "extremely light porn". And it's not really about it being a slippery slope, more about insidious normalisation of mindset.

It's clear as day in this thread, and the defensiveness and frustration bursting out all over the place only serves to prove that.

People like their cummies, but they don't want to feel grubby about it.

Tough it's gross. Sex and sexiness is great. Find a partner. Heck, go out and have a series of flings - each to their own. Stop making it a product to ogle on telly/at sports matches/to outright pay for. It's not complicated at all.

[MTVN]

Daniella Allfree and Charlotte Wood are the two walk on girls who'll be doing this event. Google thinks they're 36 years old

[Liam-]

Don’t look at the 36 year old children! They’re being exploited!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Daniella Allfree and Charlotte Wood are the two walk on girls who'll be doing this event. Google thinks they're 36 years old

Originally Posted by MTVN

Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

Originally Posted by Liam-

Don’t look at the 36 year old children! They’re being exploited!

... Also feel free to continue to ignore the fact that I've already said it's not about age.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's also an aside because the dart "walk-on girls" would be exploitative, gross and misogynistic no matter what age the women were. It's just an additional level of slime.

If it helps at all Liam, it's also not about gender; males being exploited and objectified is just as bad, and it does happen. It's just much, much, much more rare.

Funnily enough though...

...it is usually younger men being objectified and turned into a trading commodity...

......and it is usually older fellows doing the buying.

Free Market Capitalism at it's finest, you old Tory you

[user104658]

"Being against the objectification and hypersexualisation of women is sexist! Saying that porn and prostitution is the prime example of objectification and commoditisation of women is actually denying them the right to choose a career!!!"

...shouted the fellowship of male TiBB members, in newly found harmony...

How the tables turn eh Liam . Don't worry, I was already aware that being a "SWERF" isn't au fait with the community.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

"Being against the objectification and hypersexualisation of women is sexist! Saying that porn and prostitution is the prime example of objectification and commoditisation of women is actually denying them the right to choose a career!!!"

...shouted the fellowship of male TiBB members, in newly found harmony...

How the tables turn eh Liam . Don't worry, I was already aware that being a "SWERF" isn't au fait with the community.

Not sure you can compare walk on girls who are basically advertising the sponsor to porn and prostitution? what about models who sashay down the catwalk wearing Alexander McQueen would you compare that to porn and prostitution? what about models on TV adverts, again are they there to be drooled over by 60 somethings, I think you are over exaggerating the effect these women have on men tbh

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure you can compare walk on girls who are basically advertising the sponsor to porn and prostitution? what about models who sashay down the catwalk wearing Alexander McQueen would you compare that to porn and prostitution? what about models on TV adverts, again are they there to be drooled over by 60 somethings, I think you are over exaggerating the effect these women have on men tbh

They're there to advertise the sponsor... William Hill... I mean if you can suggest how the two things are related?

But anyway yes lots of advertising is indeed exploitative (of all sorts of people and things). That would be a much bigger discussion. Fashion is a bit of a grey area but tbh again, I don't think the fashion industry holds up very well under a little scrutiny either. I mean... At least the porn industry doesn't require people to starve themselves on top of everything else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A thread where SB/TS/QB thought he could freely hate on white middle aged men (again) has turned into an expose of his hateful intolerance of well, just about anyone man and woman..

Its always the self-proclaimed "liberals" who end up being the actual bigots...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

A thread where SB/TS/QB thought he could freely hate on white middle aged men (again) has turned into an expose of his hateful intolerance of well, just about anyone man and woman..

Its always the self-proclaimed "liberals" who end up being the actual bigots...

No no it's still just the dirty old men

[edit] FFS I've just realised who you are under a new name I was hoping you were in one of Starmer's cells. Is that why you've gone incognito, or is it just 'cos of that thread where everyone said your old name sounded like a butt dildo?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No no it's still just the dirty old men

[edit] FFS I've just realised who you are under a new name I was hoping you were in one of Starmer's cells. Is that why you've gone incognito, or is it just 'cos of that thread where everyone said your old name sounded like a butt dildo?

yep, floundering around after being exposed

pathetic

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

yep, floundering around after being exposed

pathetic

I literally have zero interest in anything you have to say, Trumpet. You may continue to snipe from the sidelines, I'm not going to block you but I hand on heart promise that I'm not going to lower myself to engaging with you on any topic, ever. You revealed yourself to be worse than I actually thought during the England riots, if that's at all possible. It goes a bit beyond the usual forum nonsense really, doesn't it. You should be permanently banned. I'm going to pretend that you are. That shall be all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I literally have zero interest in anything you have to say, Trumpet. You may continue to snipe from the sidelines, I'm not going to block you but I hand on heart promise that I'm not going to lower myself to engaging with you on any topic, ever. You revealed yourself to be worse than I actually thought during the England riots, if that's at all possible. It goes a bit beyond the usual forum nonsense really, doesn't it. You should be permanently banned. I'm going to pretend that you are. That shall be all.

oh it hurts when you are the subject..

re-read the thread m8

its all on you

own it

[Liam-]

Yes, treating women who choose certain careers like they don’t have the agency of adult women to choose those careers because they’ve obviously been abused or manipulated into doing the careers by evil, exploitative men is sexist and demeans adults abilities to make their own decisions.

You seriously become quite deranged whenever you discuss these things, you’re always high and mighty about everything you post about, but this takes it to the next level