[smudgie]

It was fantastic.
The look on Nathan’s face, him telling the others, asking if they had kissed.
The pillock is worried it will all blow his fauxmance out of the water.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by smudgie

It was fantastic.
The look on Nathan’s face, him telling the others, asking if they had kissed.
The pillock is worried it will all blow his fauxmance out of the water.

Yes his reaction was interesting.
Nathan was one of my favourites but now I don't like him as much.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I really am starting to like Marcello...especially with the Segun thing last night..I started to think he could get to the final. The Lily thing did have me thinking he really doesn't need to be doing that.
However, because she behaves like a child she gets treated like a child...by pretty much all of them. I mean Ali is a lesbian and she is cuddling and stroking Lily's hair all the time...no one says a word about that..whats the difference
He did comfort her after she heard the chants and offered to cook her a pizza...stroking her hair when she's drunk..it is how you would treat a child. I really wish they wouldn't but maybe that's just what he was doing.

This.

[Garfie]

To me this was just two drunken people behaving like drunken people do, and I personally feel reading any more into it seems s bit of an over-reaction. Lily drunkenly threw herself onto the bed in a flirty mood as she finds Marcello fanciable. He did nothing more than stroke her hair! He hardly touched her inappropriately. It was just flirty behaviour between two consenting adults, and I feel we need to remind ourselves that Lily is an adult, and not some underaged child. Had he touched her in a sexual manner then it would be a problem, but this is not what happened. They were in a room full of people, and Emma summed it up perfectly. In my experience, go to any pub or club on a weekend and people will be behaving in the same way. Who hasn’t had a drunken flirt that means nothing and leads to nothing?

I think it’s important to remember how producers like to cast housemates in particular roles, then broadcast anything that seems to support that. This year, Lily is the innocent naive child and Marcello is the villainous predator. In so many ways it is like a pantomime, and it’s easy to fall into the trap of accepting the narrative that producers want us to follow. However, I personally feel that their one-dimensional portrayal of housemates can make us forget that we see just minutes each day of each person, and therefore perhaps get a very skewed impression of who they truly are as people.

I don’t disagree that some of Marcello’s comments and behaviours have been questionable- I’ve made that point myself in previous posts - but on this occasion I don’t believe there was any sinister intention.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Beso

What was uncomfortable?
Lily forcing herself on him, the discussion, or Marcelo gently stroking her hair?

Exactly!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

To me this was just two drunken people behaving like drunken people do, and I personally feel reading any more into it seems s bit of an over-reaction. Lily drunkenly threw herself onto the bed in a flirty mood as she finds Marcello fanciable. He did nothing more than stroke her hair! He hardly touched her inappropriately. It was just flirty behaviour between two consenting adults, and I feel we need to remind ourselves that Lily is an adult, and not some underaged child. Had he touched her in a sexual manner then it would be a problem, but this is not what happened. They were in a room full of people, and Emma summed it up perfectly. In my experience, go to any pub or club on a weekend and people will be behaving in the same way. Who hasn’t had a drunken flirt that means nothing and leads to nothing?

I think it’s important to remember how producers like to cast housemates in particular roles, then broadcast anything that seems to support that. This year, Lily is the innocent naive child and Marcello is the villainous predator. In so many ways it is like a pantomime, and it’s easy to fall into the trap of accepting the narrative that producers want us to follow. However, I personally feel that their one-dimensional portrayal of housemates can make us forget that we see just minutes each day of each person, and therefore perhaps get a very skewed impression of who they truly are as people.

I don’t disagree that some of Marcello’s comments and behaviours have been questionable- I’ve made that point myself in previous posts - but on this occasion I don’t believe there was any sinister intention.

Yes it was two adults flirting.
People forget that Lily is NOT a child, but a grown adult.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I really am starting to like Marcello...especially with the Segun thing last night..I started to think he could get to the final. The Lily thing did have me thinking he really doesn't need to be doing that.
However, because she behaves like a child she gets treated like a child...by pretty much all of them. I mean Ali is a lesbian and she is cuddling and stroking Lily's hair all the time...no one says a word about that..whats the difference
He did comfort her after she heard the chants and offered to cook her a pizza...stroking her hair when she's drunk..it is how you would treat a child. I really wish they wouldn't but maybe that's just what he was doing.

Great points, rusticgal. My reading of it was the same - stroking the hair seemed like a soothing gesture you’d make towards a child, and it doesn’t seem unusual for housemates to do that.

If I felt his behaviour was concerning, I would, as I have previously, call it out, but that’s not my perception of this situation.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes it was two adults flirting.
People forget that Lily is NOT a child, but a grown adult.

[ebandit]

.............give lily a break............she has not snogged anyone in ages.......................

Mark L

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Emma is teasing Nathan and BP because she can see right through their BS, did you notice her comment when BP was screeching during the phonecall,...'that's your girlfriend' with a bit of a smirk and a side eye, Nathan was totally speechless

…yeah, this is what I mean with…I kind of to and fro with her, her absorbtion in Fake Potato romance has been quite s lot at times but she also seems to have a good take on stuff…/…not just her assessment of things but the humour in which she can deliver also…she’s not a favourite atm as such…well, not over some others …but I definitely don’t dislike her either….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, this is what I mean with…I kind of to and fro with her, her absorbtion in Fake Potato romance has been quite s lot at times but she also seems to have a good take on stuff…/…not just her assessment of things but the humour in which she can deliver also…she’s not a favourite atm as such…well, not over some others …but I definitely don’t dislike her either….

I love her, she's always spot on and I'm here for exposing the fauxmance in that kind of way too

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love her, she's always spot on and I'm here for exposing the fauxmance in that kind of way too

…I don’t know if that’s what she’s doing or not…she’s felt a bit kind of over invested and over interested at times……as if she’s encouraging it all also and maybe she’s made herself a ‘three’ with them to prevent them progressing with it all..there’s that also, but I’m still out on her being a favourite atm…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I don’t know if that’s what she’s doing or not…she’s felt a bit kind of over invested and over interested at times……as if she’s encouraging it all also and maybe she’s made herself a ‘three’ with them to prevent them progressing with it all..there’s that also, but I’m still out on her being a favourite atm…

nah I reckon she's on to them

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Great points, rusticgal. My reading of it was the same - stroking the hair seemed like a soothing gesture you’d make towards a child, and it doesn’t seem unusual for housemates to do that.

If I felt his behaviour was concerning, I would, as I have previously, call it out, but that’s not my perception of this situation.

Yeah they should all stop treating Lily as a child,but as mentioned on L& L if she acts like a child.... she's going to get treated as one . It's interesting how it's only seen as " creepy" when Marcello does it though . I swear the guy could be doing press ups in the garden,and still be called a weirdo.

The drunkenness & wine licking was cringe , but him just talking to her ...was just that .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and when she said .....'that is your girlfriend' when BP was on the phone task

As BP is screaming NO NO NO , that phone task was more hilarious than I thought It would be. Especially listing every potato but 'Baked Potato ' .

[Ammi]

…so far as the thread topic and Marcello and Lily …it wasn't so much as any actions on their own for me …it was also that she was very drunk and that had been commented through the evening before the phone calls …and I’m also considering a few other of his actions in the house as well and interactions with …like the hand in throat action, which we’ve talked about…and also his anger with Sarah and his dismissing of her when he didn’t want to speak to her…with Marcello, every time that I warm to him, there is something that I think…hmmmm, no…and I certainly don’t think he’s one dimensional or that any of the housemates are…they all have likeable aspects of their characters and some have aspects that aren’t so much a good look as well and I think we all realise that…I’m glad that Ali called time out anyway because I think in that moment, it was the right call…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…so far as the thread topic and Marcello and Lily …it wasn't so much as any actions on their own for me …it was also that she was very drunk and that had been commented through the evening before the phone calls …and I’m also considering a few other of his actions in the house as well and interactions with …like the hand in throat action, which we’ve talked about…and also his anger with Sarah and his dismissing of her when he didn’t want to speak to her…with Marcello, every time that I warm to him, there is something that I think…hmmmm, no…and I certainly don’t think he’s one dimensional or that any of the housemates are…they all have likeable aspects of their characters and some have aspects that aren’t so much a good look as well and I think we all realise that…I’m glad that Ali called time out anyway because I think in that moment, it was the right call…

Yep pretty much my exact thoughts on the whole thing as well

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah they should all stop treating Lily as a child,but as mentioned on L& L if she acts like a child.... she's going to get treated as one . It's interesting how it's only seen as " creepy" when Marcello does it though . I swear the guy could be doing press ups in the garden,and still be called a weirdo.

The drunkenness & wine licking was cringe , but him just talking to her ...was just that .

…no, it jarred a bit with me because Lily was hugely drunk…I will say that…and not that ‘it’s only Marcello…’…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by vesavius

People out there acting like women can't ever be predators

Shhhhh only men are creeps remember , especially if they're called
' Marcello ' . Funny thing is Ali is actually older than Marcello aswell.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep pretty much my exact thoughts on the whole thing as well

…I mean, it’s not just the one thing, is the thing…it’s a few things that have jarred in actions and words…but to balance that, I also think that Marcello has some nice qualities also…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

People out there acting like women can't ever be predators

Of course they can but Ali doesn't come across that way with Lily, it seems a more protective maternal thing. I don't even like Ali but she's not come across in that way at all, Marcello has though

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Beso

What was uncomfortable?
Lily forcing herself on him, the discussion, or Marcelo gently stroking her hair?

Plus afterwards in the garden she was giggling saying how much she fancied him ,but no no it's all Marcello's fault apparently . If anything I think Marcello was humouring her.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Plus afterwards in the garden she was giggling saying how much she fancied him ,but no no it's all Marcello's fault apparently . If anything I think Marcello was humouring her.

They were both drunk and got a bit flirty.
I didn't see anything sinister at all.
People forget that they are friends in there.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They were both drunk and got a bit flirty.
I didn't see anything sinister at all.
People forget that they are friends in there.

The fact he's close to a few people in the house ,shows he obviously has a few real friendships in there . He still hugged Segun.... despite the ' red witch ' expose on the phone aswell lol .

[Vanessa]

I think Thomas is the one that she likes.