[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't think Streisand believes Wade & James , maybe she's thinking what some of us are thinking that their stories make no sense . Like i said if anyone bothers to do a 2 minute research they'd see what Wade & James are all about .

Her comment about "it didn't kill them" is maybe because they're suing the estate for billion dollars while they're happy to get fame on again, which makes people doubt their intentions.

However if i'm wrong and if she actually bizarrely believes Wade & James then it's very weird what she said . Unless she's unsure if MJ is guilty or innocent but he still feels some kind of loyalty to him? . I don't know i think it can be interpreted in many ways what she's thinking and saying .

Streisand: "I didn't mean to dismiss the trauma these boys experienced in any way. Like all survivors of sexual assault, they will have to carry this for the rest of their lives. I feel deep remorse and I hope that James and Wade know that I truly respect and admire them for speaking their truth."

TiBB MJ thread: "Very ambiguous I don't think she believes proven liars Wade and James."

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Streisand: "I didn't mean to dismiss the trauma these boys experienced in any way. Like all survivors of sexual assault, they will have to carry this for the rest of their lives. I feel deep remorse and I hope that James and Wade know that I truly respect and admire them for speaking their truth."

TiBB MJ thread: "Very ambiguous I don't think she believes proven liars Wade and James."

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Streisand: "I didn't mean to dismiss the trauma these boys experienced in any way. Like all survivors of sexual assault, they will have to carry this for the rest of their lives. I feel deep remorse and I hope that James and Wade know that I truly respect and admire them for speaking their truth."

TiBB MJ thread: "Very ambiguous I don't think she believes proven liars Wade and James."

It's not that ridiculous that she may doubt Wade & James hence her weird comments so you can say what you want but we all know some people are just jumping on the bandwagon regarding the #metoo movement .

She's probably thinking about genuine victims out there but because she knew MJ maybe she can't imagine it happening , the comments about "sexual needs" i can't explain why she'd say that . But i think it's interesting she said James & Wade are speaking "their " Truth instead of "the" Truth . as that's the culture we live in now where anyone's truth is considered gospal .

[Niamh.]

Facts don't lie, people do...... yes the problem was with MJ lying with children

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Facts don't lie, people do...... yes the problem was with MJ lying with children

A real example of real life,I used to to do lunch time duty at my daughters first little school but being a man I had to stop as it was seen as inappropriate.

Mj was sleeping in the same bed as boys but nothing was done.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Facts don't lie, people do...... yes the problem was with MJ lying with children

Can I ask why you're so convinced he shared a bed with kids while sleeping? .

It's always that same argument ,while people ignore the fact that MJ's bedroom was the size of a house . Kids always insisted they wanted to share his room with him .

Gavin Arvizo actually slept in Mj's bed with his brother while MJ had the floor , but people like to ignore that information . And even if MJ was in the same bed as children why do people always assume child molestation happened? . I understand people thinking it's inappropriate , mj's fans don't defend that . But you have to understand MJ had a different upbringing

MJ said he'd always give his bed to guests while he slept elsewhere. MJ's own ex Debbie said if she had guests over she would probably watch telly in bed with them .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Can I ask why you're so convinced he shared a bed with kids while sleeping? .

It's always that same argument ,while people ignore the fact that MJ's bedroom was the size of a house . Kids always insisted they wanted to share his room with him .

Gavin Arvizo actually slept in Mj's bed with his brother while MJ had the floor , but people like to ignore that information . And even if MJ was in the same bed as children why do people always assume child molestation happened? . I understand people thinking it's inappropriate , mj's fans don't defend that . But you have to understand MJ had a different upbringing

MJ said he'd always give his bed to guests while he slept elsewhere. MJ's own ex Debbie said if she had guests over she would probably watch telly in bed with them .

Yeah i believe that MJ gave up his bed to random kids and then slept on the floor instead of going to another bed in his massive house mmhhmm

[Nancy.]

Goldheart, here's another excellent video...
We already knew the stuff about Robson, but the information about Safechuck is interesting to say the least, but I expect this will be ignored or brushed aside, as usual.

Youtube video

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Goldheart, here's another excellent video...
We already knew the stuff about Robson, but the information about Safechuck is interesting to say the least, but I expect this will be ignored or brushed aside, as usual.

Youtube video

What am I supposed to be taking in?
...the red writing, is that the shocking revelations taken as fact this time?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What am I supposed to be taking in?
...the red writing, is that the shocking revelations taken as fact this time?

Don't be silly, Parmy. Ignore the red font and focus on the information provided...pay particular attention to the documents about Safechuck and his family being sued for 1 million before realizing shortly afterwards that he had been "abused".

No doubt someone will claim these documents are fake too.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Goldheart, here's another excellent video...
We already knew the stuff about Robson, but the information about Safechuck is interesting to say the least, but I expect this will be ignored or brushed aside, as usual.

Youtube video

Hey Nancy
Yeah i know all about Safechuck's failing garbage disposal business (how fitting that he's in the CRAP business lol ) . And his family being sued. Yeah it's very convenient that then that's when Safechuck realised he'd been abused all along by MJ .

[Crimson Dynamo]

so every time Jackson said he wasnt a raging paedo he was lying?

[Parmy]

Goldheart I've watched that and they do sound sincere..poor wade was nearly crying when he was saying how they hope to raise awareness of abused children to church leaders etc.

[thesheriff443]

The fundamental question is, should mj of had young boys sleeping in his bedroom, the only sensible answer is no.

Why would a grown man want young boys sleeping in his room?, it was not to read them a goodnight story.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The fundamental question is, should mj of had young boys sleeping in his bedroom, the only sensible answer is no.

Why would a grown man want young boys sleeping in his room?, it was not to read them a goodnight story.

If you did your research you'd know it wasn't just "young boys" as the stupid media makes out , there were MJ's own family & girls & his friends as well as the kids parents .

MJ was usually with other people as well as kids , he wasn't just left alone kids 24/7 .

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The fundamental question is, should mj of had young boys sleeping in his bedroom, the only sensible answer is no.

Why would a grown man want young boys sleeping in his room?, it was not to read them a goodnight story.

But MJ's bedroom was two storeys high, and not the average size of a bedroom that we think of. There weren't just boys sleeping over either, Sheriff, there were girls too...including his own family (as Goldheart said).

[Niamh.]

I've deleted some more posts in here along with the numerous posts Vicky deleted yesterday. I'm going to reopen it but anyone, on any "side" who starts picking at members in here or bringing them up in posts to have a dig will be infracted.If it turns into a mess like it was previous to the deletions it will be permanently locked

[bots]

So this thread is a bit like MJ .... cleaned himself up, brushed himself down and gave it another go

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So this thread is a bit like MJ .... cleaned himself up, brushed himself down and gave it another go

[GoldHeart]

Youtube video

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Youtube video

Another great video, Goldheart.

I had no idea about the fan who broke into his bedroom and hid in his closet for days before finally getting caught.
So that explains the reason for the bedroom "security system" that everyone was talking about which is mentioned from 18.00 onwards.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've deleted some more posts in here along with the numerous posts Vicky deleted yesterday. I'm going to reopen it but anyone, on any "side" who starts picking at members in here or bringing them up in posts to have a dig will be infracted.If it turns into a mess like it was previous to the deletions it will be permanently locked

This leaves me with a bit of a predicament Niamh because if the posts since reopening are anything to go by, it's pretty clear that this is still (and will forever be) a YouTube / Twitter spamming circlejerk but saying so is what caused all of the personal stuff to begin with.

I'm not picking on members individually / calling them names, I'm calling the thread out for what it has become and if that's considered personal then infract away I guess . I'd still rather say it than sit back and watch two probable - or even if only POSSIBLE - abuse victims be smeared as villains through trashy social media propaganda.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This leaves me with a bit of a predicament Niamh because if the posts since reopening are anything to go by, it's pretty clear that this is still (and will forever be) a YouTube / Twitter spamming circlejerk but saying so is what caused all of the personal stuff to begin with.

I'm not picking on members individually / calling them names, I'm calling the thread out for what it has become and if that's considered personal then infract away I guess . I'd still rather say it than sit back and watch two probable - or even if only POSSIBLE - abuse victims be smeared as villains through trashy social media propaganda.

There's saying it once..but to continue to drone on and on about when it would be much easier just not to comment after making your opinion clear.

Perhaps the thread only looked like a circle jerk to you because nobody else was replying, that's not down to kez goldheart or nancy though.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There's saying it once..but to continue to drone on and on about when it would be much easier just not to comment after making your opinion clear.

Sure it would be easier but it would also be making it easy for people alleging abuse to be accused of being villains and liars, which again, I'm not willing to step back and allow. What ever gave you the impression that I like things "easy"?

Perhaps the thread only looked like a circle jerk to you because nobody else was replying, that's not down to kez goldheart or nancy though.

That's literally exactly what I said Parm; my opinion is about the thread and the things being posted here, it's not a personal judgement of the people posting those things and never has been.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sure it would be easier but it would also be making it easy for people alleging abuse to be accused of being villains and liars, which again, I'm not willing to step back and allow. What ever gave you the impression that I like things "easy"?





That's literally exactly what I said Parm; my opinion is about the thread and the things being posted here, it's not a personal judgement of the people posting those things and never has been.

Ok..I doubted you did want to single out anyone..